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US772
US772
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25 Dec 2013 8:35am
I was reading the mini article in
http://www.bfslyc.org.uk/landsailor/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Edition%2066%20Winter%202013%20v2.pdf
It said pg 6 that the winning mini was modified to be shorter but 180cm wide like the Aitracks. What kind of wheel base for and aft would a yacht this wide have to keep it in line with the 5.6 rule? Seems really wide.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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25 Dec 2013 12:07pm
Time to get the ball of string and 3 beer cans out ..... remember the 5.6m measurement is a MAXIMUM it can be less than that.

Interesting read..... page 10 is interesting re; wheels + tyres (Have to agree....haven't I been saying this for a while, 'possibly illegal'? )

One well written 'protest lodgement' (on Day 1) could get rid of 1/2 of your competitors in a championship.... easy
cisco
cisco
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QLD, 12365 posts
25 Dec 2013 11:59am
Come on mate. Basic trigonometry here.

It is an isosceles triangle. Sum of sides = 5.6m - base 1.8m = 3.8m divide by 2 = 1.9m being the length of the other two sides.

An isosceles triangle is made up of two equal right angled triangles.

Pythagoras' rule "The square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides."

Therefore square of the hypotenuse = 1.9 x 1.9 = 3.61 m2. Square of the base = .9 x .9 = 0.81m2.

Square of hypotenuse minus square of base = square of perpendicular height = 3.61 - 0.81 = 2.8 m2.

Square root of 2.8m2 = 1.67332005...... call it 1.67m.

So to allow for rope thickness of 5.6m loop rule and ease of measurement let's call it 1.65m.

A yacht with a 1.65m length and a 1.8m width would tend to be stable with tipping moment but less stable directionally or at least very twitchy.

Worth doing the experiment but in the end with the minis being what they are, I think pilot skill will be the determiner.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Gizmo
Gizmo
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25 Dec 2013 12:51pm
^^^^ Hey Cisco bet you wouldn't be able to repeat that later after Xmas lunch.
Merry Xmas
cisco
cisco
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25 Dec 2013 12:29pm
I have just read the article and noticed it said the winning yacht is a Yorkersport.

This is the web site and the photo of their mini yacht seems to reflect some of the experimenting happening here in Aus.

www.yorkersport.com/3.html

Also at the end of the article it mentions a 6 hour race with a Le Mans type start with class 3 yachts and co pilots.

Sort of a Bathurst 1000 of land sailing.
cisco
cisco
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25 Dec 2013 12:31pm
Gizmo said..

^^^^ Hey Cisco bet you wouldn't be able to repeat that later after Xmas lunch.
Merry Xmas


I had to dig deep into the memory bank to get that out I can tell you.
US772
US772
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332 posts
26 Dec 2013 4:21am
Thanks Cisco. I was wondering if the mini's are measured while the pilot is in it like Fisly Class 3 boats are. I only ask because I can bottom my axle out if I jump on it hard enough. The more it flex's the more the rear wheels spread at the ground.
cisco
cisco
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26 Dec 2013 11:48am
^^^I wouldn't think so. Would hardly seem fair.

With any class the main variable is the pilot. When a class five is measured for weight for example it has to be without the pilot on board.

You would have to check with FISLY.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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26 Dec 2013 12:58pm
If your building a yacht that tight to the specs you are getting way too serious !!!!..... Have a read up of why the class was created.

Why not build a yacht that will easily fit into the specs no matter what way they measure it and then allow a few mm error in the 5.6m loop.
The 5.6m measurement was a 'generic' measurement that encompassed many yacht designs.



Mini Class....
The reason for Mini Class is the perfect introduction to land sailing, where as Class 5 is regarded as the "International Race Class''
Mini Yachts are a class to encourage newcomers to the sport and ideal for women and children.
The yacht that is simple to build with no restrictions on construction materials or methods, looks good and can be sailed in shopping centre car parks with lots of public exposure which in turn feeds the Class 5 with competitive sailors.


landyacht
landyacht
WA
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27 Dec 2013 8:24am
US772 said..

Thanks Cisco. I was wondering if the mini's are measured while the pilot is in it like Fisly Class 3 boats are. I only ask because I can bottom my axle out if I jump on it hard enough. The more it flex's the more the rear wheels spread at the ground.


I would have thought that the flexing in the middle would simply pull the top of the wheels in slightly ,rather than make it wider.
Ive tested a wooden axle mini and a y frame mini on the claypan to guage the width change . both were tested stationary and also by measuring the tracks of teh yachts at speed. no change.
when you watch a flexible mini go past you will notice the difference in the wheel lay over. leeward steeper, windward flatter, as the chassis flexes.
its probably different if you have stays
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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27 Dec 2013 8:29pm
If your wanting to increase the stability of a yacht it's often better to increase the length rather than the width.
With the 5.6m rule you will need to adjust the width to get the yacht longer.




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