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Datawiz
Datawiz
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17 Apr 2016 11:50am
Hi All,
Having recently got caught with flat batteries (I won't bore anyone with the details, but suffice to say I was embarrassed & I've learnt a lesson), I've decided to get an AC generator to provide a last resort emergency charging system.

From now on, I'll carry my jump starter, but if that fails, I can recharge batteries via my mains charger with the generator.

So, any recommendations for a 240 volt AC generator around 1 kilowatt?

regards,
allan

Donk107
Donk107
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17 Apr 2016 1:14pm
Hi Datawiz

Honda's have a good reputation powerequipment.honda.com.au:443/Super_Quiet/EU10i but they cost more than most most of the others on the market and they have a DC charging function as standard (8 amp on the 1kw)

Regards Don
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
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17 Apr 2016 2:29pm
I got a 2kw one from aldi good to bang around on the boat plus not to expensive if you don't use it often.
Wander66
Wander66
QLD
294 posts
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17 Apr 2016 3:06pm
Over Easter I used the Chinese no name 800 W suitcase style generator that came with the boat to run a C-tek 25 A charger and my fridge at the same time and it didn't struggle at all. If you want to bring a battery up to usable volts ASAP you need the highest amperage practical. Also need to think about where it's going to sit for the couple of hours you will need to run it. I was moored so sat it on the cabin roof behind the mast but at sea you will need to keep it out of the weather and make sure there are no fumes in the cabin.
samsturdy
samsturdy
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17 Apr 2016 3:17pm

The advantage with the Honda is, it's quiet, there's a fuel saver function and it's compact.
But you do have to pay for it. However, you only get what you pay for.
Jode5
Jode5
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17 Apr 2016 5:41pm
Cheap generators are only cheap until you blow up your electronics. They are OK for lights, tools and things like that, but not electronics. Some will not even work your battery drill charger. As electricians we often have to run customers on generators. The only small generator we will use is a Honda. There is a reason our insurance companiy will not cover use if we use any thing apart from a Honda. Spend the extra money on A Honda and you will have it for ever. When you are finished with it you can sell them no problems at all. A cheap one you take to the dump and more than likely sooner than later as you will not get parts.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
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17 Apr 2016 7:56pm
there are two problem if the boat batterie drops below 10 volts under a few watts load,
is ready to be disposed,
lead acid battery manual tells me : discharged condition causes sulfation and a recharge may not be possible.
I am not saying recharging is not possible ,
I am saying , the loss of capacity and sulfation degradation, doeas not justify to keep battery any more on boat.

second problem is why tha battery is flat.. forgot to switch them off, or
you need secondary equipment under power...and do not have install cheap under voltage
cut off switch similar in fridges .
taking care of lead acid batteries is critical, otherwise a very time you kill them ...buying new ones.

emergency petrol generator, if for back up, would not justify to spend $1k for Honda and any cheap
doeas the job.
HG02
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17 Apr 2016 9:13pm
One of the contractors at work has just retired and I was going to buy a small Honda gen set off him its in good nick probably use around 4 times while camping
its not 1 kilowatt its the earlier one very light weight you can pick it up one handed I was going to buy it but Ive enough stuff in my boat now
I keep thinking its around 350watt maybe a bit more but it has a 12 volt charger on board he wanted around the $350 mark. Its like new but probably 8 years old
Jode5
Jode5
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853 posts
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17 Apr 2016 10:32pm
HG02 said...
One of the contractors at work has just retired and I was going to buy a small Honda gen set off him its in good nick probably use around 4 times while camping
its not 1 kilowatt its the earlier one very light weight you can pick it up one handed I was going to buy it but Ive enough stuff in my boat now
I keep thinking its around 350watt maybe a bit more but it has a 12 volt charger on board he wanted around the $350 mark. Its like new but probably 8 years old

The only Honda generators to look at are the inverter type eu1 and eu2
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
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17 Apr 2016 11:51pm
We have a Honda EU10, really good, very quiet and always starts first pull. At anchor we sit it on the lower step of the transom. Cannot even hear it in the cabin.

I have also heard the Yamaha EF series are very very good as well.

This comparison reckons the Yammi is better:

www.mygenerator.com.au/blog/yamaha-ef1000is-vs-honda-eu10i/
Datawiz
Datawiz
VIC
605 posts
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18 Apr 2016 8:59am
Hi all,
Thanks for all your valuable input. This forum is such a great resource for advice and opinion.

I managed to pick up a Honda EU 10i on eBay for $799, so I think my battery management system is now satisfactory.

So, I now have;
(a) 250 watts of solar panels with an MMPT charger.
(b) 180 AH Start & 360 AH House batteries
(c) Honda EU 10i Inverter/Generator
(d) 240V AC Charles (US made) 30 Amp dual charger
(e) Jump starter I've had for years, and following suitability tests, will now always carry on board.

- of course, none of the above is of any use if I run out of fuel....

regards,
allan
Trek
Trek
NSW
1215 posts
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18 Apr 2016 1:22pm


Get one of these wonderful things and you will know in advance if your batteries are going down hill
www.trektransponder.com.au/ I was talking to one of the tradies at Beashels boatyard in Pittwater last week. They are fixing a boat that came off its mooring and lost half its side when it ran aground .... the owner would have known early and maybe before it hit anything. Same. Should have gone to Spec Savers. I cant claim no interest though since I designed it to save my own boat originally
Auscruisers
Auscruisers
65 posts
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19 Apr 2016 5:13pm
samsturdy said..

The advantage with the Honda is, it's quiet, there's a fuel saver function and it's compact.
But you do have to pay for it. However, you only get what you pay for.


Hi Sam,

I know where your coming from but tend to disagree.

An example. Case 1. Twelve years ago we purchased a home in Townsville, Qld. Our very good brand name mower needed a few carbie parts but because it was the "wet season" the mower supply shops were only doing repairs, not selling parts. In frustration I bought a Tallon mower. Everybody I knew told me I would regret it but After nearly 13 years that Tallon mower is still doing a good job.

Case 2. Because the home we bought was in "cyclone" country we bought a cheap Chinese 5KVA inverter generator for under $400. After 3 Major cyclones ( Justin, Larry and Yasi where we lost power for a combined 15 days we still have the use of this generator.

Two years ago I bought another cheap ($140) online invertater generator for the boat as a backup in case I ever need to use a battery charger etc in event of a charging problem. I run this generator about once every month or so for about ten to fifteen minutes like I do with the other generator and so far have had no problems with it.

NOW, I am NOT criticising Honda or Yamaha generators. They are well worth what you pay for them. What I am saying is that you can also get some fairly cheap knock offs if you look around.

I once bought a cheap (Tallon again) chain saw that was a direct knock off of a good pommie chain saw. I used for many years after three cyclones, cleaning up our yard and neighbours yards. It died as a result of to much work. We now have a Stihl chain saw that I assume will last a lot longer but cost three times as much as the previous chain saw.

I guess you get what you pay for but if your expectations match your budget I don't think you would be disappointed.




SandS
SandS
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19 Apr 2016 8:41pm
Auscruisers said..

samsturdy said..

The advantage with the Honda is, it's quiet, there's a fuel saver function and it's compact.
But you do have to pay for it. However, you only get what you pay for.



Hi Sam,

I know where your coming from but tend to disagree.

An example. Case 1. Twelve years ago we purchased a home in Townsville, Qld. Our very good brand name mower needed a few carbie parts but because it was the "wet season" the mower supply shops were only doing repairs, not selling parts. In frustration I bought a Tallon mower. Everybody I knew told me I would regret it but After nearly 13 years that Tallon mower is still doing a good job.

Case 2. Because the home we bought was in "cyclone" country we bought a cheap Chinese 5KVA inverter generator for under $400. After 3 Major cyclones ( Justin, Larry and Yasi where we lost power for a combined 15 days we still have the use of this generator.

Two years ago I bought another cheap ($140) online invertater generator for the boat as a backup in case I ever need to use a battery charger etc in event of a charging problem. I run this generator about once every month or so for about ten to fifteen minutes like I do with the other generator and so far have had no problems with it.

NOW, I am NOT criticising Honda or Yamaha generators. They are well worth what you pay for them. What I am saying is that you can also get some fairly cheap knock offs if you look around.

I once bought a cheap (Tallon again) chain saw that was a direct knock off of a good pommie chain saw. I used for many years after three cyclones, cleaning up our yard and neighbours yards. It died as a result of to much work. We now have a Stihl chain saw that I assume will last a lot longer but cost three times as much as the previous chain saw.

I guess you get what you pay for but if your expectations match your budget I don't think you would be disappointed.






yup . i bought a $19.99 c black an decker power drill (orange colour ) from Kmart in about 1982 . Used it since then, regularly, when under 10 mm holes are needed in soft wood. And for the first 15 years this was at work in industry ! now its retired to the shed , as lazy as i am , does **** all !! but still going !!
samsturdy
samsturdy
NSW
1659 posts
NSW, 1659 posts
20 Apr 2016 7:54am
Auscruisers said..

samsturdy said..

The advantage with the Honda is, it's quiet, there's a fuel saver function and it's compact.
But you do have to pay for it. However, you only get what you pay for.



Hi Sam,

I know where your coming from but tend to disagree.

An example. Case 1. Twelve years ago we purchased a home in Townsville, Qld. Our very good brand name mower needed a few carbie parts but because it was the "wet season" the mower supply shops were only doing repairs, not selling parts. In frustration I bought a Tallon mower. Everybody I knew told me I would regret it but After nearly 13 years that Tallon mower is still doing a good job.

Case 2. Because the home we bought was in "cyclone" country we bought a cheap Chinese 5KVA inverter generator for under $400. After 3 Major cyclones ( Justin, Larry and Yasi where we lost power for a combined 15 days we still have the use of this generator.

Two years ago I bought another cheap ($140) online invertater generator for the boat as a backup in case I ever need to use a battery charger etc in event of a charging problem. I run this generator about once every month or so for about ten to fifteen minutes like I do with the other generator and so far have had no problems with it.

NOW, I am NOT criticising Honda or Yamaha generators. They are well worth what you pay for them. What I am saying is that you can also get some fairly cheap knock offs if you look around.

I once bought a cheap (Tallon again) chain saw that was a direct knock off of a good pommie chain saw. I used for many years after three cyclones, cleaning up our yard and neighbours yards. It died as a result of to much work. We now have a Stihl chain saw that I assume will last a lot longer but cost three times as much as the previous chain saw.

I guess you get what you pay for but if your expectations match your budget I don't think you would be disappointed.






Point taken Aus. I guess I'm looking at things in a "boatie' way, absolute reliability and function. No use something not working
properly when you're out on your own.
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