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Any reason why this won't work

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Created by Donk107 Sunday, 14 Jul 2019
Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 7:51AM
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Hi all

Still playing with the idea of a 4 meter whisker pole to pole out my genoa and a mate of mine gave me a short jockey pole with these on either end (with or without a topping lift)

Is there any reason why I cant put them on the end of a 4 meter piece of tube and use them to do the job

Any thoughts would be appreciated

Regards Don


shaggybaxter
QLD, 1659 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 7:55AM
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Hi Don,
Looks like a good score, I see no reason at all.
Just make sure you align them the right way around before you rivet them (don't ask me why I would mention that)

saltytom2
NSW, 15 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 9:41AM
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I have done exactly that to make my whisker pole works perfectly

Yara
NSW, 848 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 10:46AM
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A pool scoop handle works well as an adjustable length whisker pole.

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 1:13PM
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Hi all

Thanks for the feedback

The only decision I need to make now is how to attach the topping lift to it

On my spinnaker pole I have a dyneema bridle top and bottom for the topping lift and down haul but for this one I am wondering whether to just attach the topping lift to the centre of the pole as the only downward load on the outer end of the pole will be the tension on the sheet

The other alternatives are a bridle the same as my spinnaker pole of attach the topping lift to the outer end only

What are everyone's thoughts on this

When it blows the Genoa clew tend to want to lift but during races with it poled out I am normally on the foredeck so I figure I can keep the pole down and forward

Regards Don

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 1:22PM
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Yara said..
A pool scoop handle works well as an adjustable length whisker pole.


Hi Yara

i tried a extendable paint roller handle but during the first race it blew a bit and I was trying to hold the pole down and it bent in half

The boat is only a 28 footer but the Genoa has a bit of area to it and the winds in Tassie can be a bit unpredictable

Regards Don




Yara
NSW, 848 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 1:47PM
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The pool scoop handle is quite a lot larger in diameter than the paint brush handle. I have used mine as a gin pole under quite a large load. The standard spinnaker pole fittings also match the diameter. And yes, it needs the bridle to avoid bending.

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 1:55PM
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Yara said..
The pool scoop handle is quite a lot larger in diameter than the paint brush handle. I have used mine as a gin pole under quite a large load. The standard spinnaker pole fittings also match the diameter. And yes, it needs the bridle to avoid bending.


Hi Yara

Thanks for the information

I didn't realise the pool scoop handles were that strong

Regards Don

SandS
VIC, 5627 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 2:56PM
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I would stick with a bridle for the topping lift Donk . Easier to end for end the pole when gybeing

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 3:28PM
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I would stick with a bridle for the topping lift Donk . Easier to end for end the pole when gybeing


Hi Sands

With this pole i won't be able to end for end as it has a different fitting on the sheet end to the mast end


Regards Don

SandS
VIC, 5627 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 4:26PM
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Donk107 said..

SandS said..
I would stick with a bridle for the topping lift Donk . Easier to end for end the pole when gybeing



Hi Sands

With this pole i won't be able to end for end as it has a different fitting on the sheet end to the mast end


Regards Don


oh yeah , so maybe onto the end only, so you can pull it up to the mast to jibe .

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 6:57PM
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SandS said..

Donk107 said..


SandS said..
I would stick with a bridle for the topping lift Donk . Easier to end for end the pole when gybeing




Hi Sands

With this pole i won't be able to end for end as it has a different fitting on the sheet end to the mast end


Regards Don



oh yeah , so maybe onto the end only, so you can pull it up to the mast to jibe .


Hi Sands

The only disadvantage I can see with attaching it to the outer end is I wouldn't be able to set the pole up and then attach the topping lift as it would be too far outboard unless i made up a bridle with no angle that layed along the pole with shock cord on the inner side so it held the topping lift attachment point halfway along the pole

I have a knot tied in the topping lift to stop it going up the mast and out of reach (this happened in a race once and I spent the next downwind leg of the lap with the pole resting on my shoulder) so I would not be able to pull the pole up the mast to gybe it

Regards Don

SandS
VIC, 5627 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 8:16PM
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Donk107 said..

SandS said..


Donk107 said..



SandS said..
I would stick with a bridle for the topping lift Donk . Easier to end for end the pole when gybeing





Hi Sands

With this pole i won't be able to end for end as it has a different fitting on the sheet end to the mast end


Regards Don




oh yeah , so maybe onto the end only, so you can pull it up to the mast to jibe .



Hi Sands

The only disadvantage I can see with attaching it to the outer end is I wouldn't be able to set the pole up and then attach the topping lift as it would be too far outboard unless i made up a bridle with no angle that layed along the pole with shock cord on the inner side so it held the topping lift attachment point halfway along the pole

I have a knot tied in the topping lift to stop it going up the mast and out of reach (this happened in a race once and I spent the next downwind leg of the lap with the pole resting on my shoulder) so I would not be able to pull the pole up the mast to gybe it

Regards Don


back to the normal bridle then

shaggybaxter
QLD, 1659 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 8:29PM
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Yep, rig it with normal bridles for topping lift and kicker. If it gets a bit fresh, the topper will stop the pole going in if someone lets go of the jib sheet, and the kicker will stop your pole smashing into your sidestay if the beak goes in the water..
A bit of shot cord round the pole to slip the bridle rings through for the light stuff when you couldnt be bothered with toppers and kickers.

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 9:36PM
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shaggybaxter said..
Yep, rig it with normal bridles for topping lift and kicker. If it gets a bit fresh, the topper will stop the pole going in if someone lets go of the jib sheet, and the kicker will stop your pole smashing into your sidestay if the beak goes in the water..
A bit of shot cord round the pole to slip the bridle rings through for the light stuff when you couldnt be bothered with toppers and kickers.


Hi Shaggy

I don't think I will worry about the down haul as on my boat it goes to the base of the mast so it will hold the pole down but not restrict it going backwards

This works well with the spinnaker because you can brace it backwards without having to adjust the downhaul

If need be I could attach a block to the mooring post on the foredeck and run the down haul through it as well to restrict the pole going rearward but normally in the twilights if the head sail is poled out I am on the foredeck ready to take the pole out if the wind changes so I can hopefully keep the pole off the stays if things go bad

Regards Don

Andrew68
VIC, 243 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 9:52PM
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Will spinnaker line stopper balls work with that reaching strut ? Seem easier to get in a tangle compared to a normal pole.

A

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Sunday , 14 Jul 2019 10:07PM
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Andrew68 said..
Will spinnaker line stopper balls work with that reaching strut ? Seem easier to get in a tangle compared to a normal pole.

A


Hi Andrew

Can you explain what you mean

Regards Don

Sectorsteve
NSW, 2122 posts
Monday , 15 Jul 2019 8:35AM
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Course it will work. I use a large strong bamboo pole with cleats at each end. Works exceptionally well. Don't be afraid to Try stuff.

Andrew68
VIC, 243 posts
Monday , 15 Jul 2019 11:33AM
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Donk107 said..

Andrew68 said..
Will spinnaker line stopper balls work with that reaching strut ? Seems easier to get in a tangle compared to a normal pole.

A



Hi Andrew

Can you explain what you mean

Regards Don


I was always taught that you need a stopper ball or a reasonable sized knot on the spin guy snapshakle to stop the guy dragging the spinnaker sail through the eye of the spinnaker pole. The reaching strut jaw is quite open. What is to stop the spinnaker being drawn/and or jammed in the jaw, particularly whilst reaching ? Probably not an issue in light conditions.

This is the only reason that I could think of.

Donk107
TAS, 2208 posts
Monday , 15 Jul 2019 6:43PM
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Andrew68 said..


Donk107 said..



Andrew68 said..
Will spinnaker line stopper balls work with that reaching strut ? Seems easier to get in a tangle compared to a normal pole.

A





Hi Andrew

Can you explain what you mean

Regards Don




I was always taught that you need a stopper ball or a reasonable sized knot on the spin guy snapshakle to stop the guy dragging the spinnaker sail through the eye of the spinnaker pole. The reaching strut jaw is quite open. What is to stop the spinnaker being drawn/and or jammed in the jaw, particularly whilst reaching ? Probably not an issue in light conditions.

This is the only reason that I could think of.




Hi Andrew

I understand what you are referring to now

This pole with the open outer end is only for poling out the head sail not for using with the spinnaker as I have a shorter conventional spinnaker pole for that so I should not have any drama's pulling the head sail clew and two bowlines through the open ended fitting but thanks for pointing it out anyway

Regards Don



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