Depends if you want to keep it or sell it one day. Unfortunately no matter how well built a custom boat is it seems that buyers generally prefer brands. "Custom" boats can sit on the market for a long time...

I think it depends upon where in the sales cycle the boat is. Is it new or 3rd or 4th hand?
I suppose I fit in the latter category, as Pogo are a no dealer/stock model, they are only made to order. I wouldn't say it would fit the description of a true owner built boat, you do have some design inputs into keel/cabin layouts/electronics/sails/standing rigging etc, but not on the hull or the rig. Mind you, the lack of rig options was not something I came across with any other vendor in a racer/cruiser, so you could put that down as a bit of an vendor specific idiosyncrasy more than a representative-of-all-vendors type thing.

I definitely noticed a difference in visiting both production and the boutique builders. A pretty well known tier 2 Euro production boat builder were popping hulls out of a mould in 3-4 days. By comparison Pogo took over 6 weeks for mine, and that level of care and workmanship I found reflected in all of the different little connected workshop spaces all meticulously assembling their specialty system (composites/hull, appendages, cabinetry, plumbing , electronics, power, rigging) and you can see the pride they have in their work. Even the apprentices!

I do think you take more of a loss on resale with a non production boat.
I am about to list the 12.50 and the realistic market price is a bit of a shock when compared to the build cost. This should make a very happy buyer, so whilst not financially the best outcome for the first seller, it's a great outcome for owner number 2! The quality of a hand built product and a market corrected price.
Win.

Neither
modern production is like buying a insert any manufacturer small hatch back car
built to a price
end of the day boats are about proper engineering and it is very rare for this be done correctly by an owner builder
in any event they cannot give you the sign offs you will soon need for insurance purposes
best bet is a limited production build by a bespoke builder
you will have all the engineering sign offs and build certificates
the end result will be properly engineered well built and all done is circumstances were cost has not been the primary consideration as boats are built to order and not for stock

pogo is an example and Sydney yachts another

cisco said..
It is a bit like asking would you buy this one:-

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1984-roberts-34/OAG-AD-16185905/?Cr=0

Or pay the extra $11,500 and buy this one:-

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-34/217099

Well I would buy the SS34 simply because it has the best deck layout I have seen on an SS34 and it has a real anchor! The Roberts is a nice looking boat though and probably a better interior than the SS34. I'm guessing it's cold moulded timber construction or maybe strip cedar, no mention in the ad.

Bananabender said..

shaggybaxter said..

Bananabender said..

shaggybaxter said..
I think it depends upon where in the sales cycle the boat is. Is it new or 3rd or 4th hand?
I suppose I fit in the latter category, as Pogo are a no dealer/stock model, they are only made to order. I wouldn't say it would fit the description of a true owner built boat, you do have some design inputs into keel/cabin layouts/electronics/sails/standing rigging etc, but not on the hull or the rig. Mind you, the lack of rig options was not something I came across with any other vendor in a racer/cruiser, so you could put that down as a bit of an vendor specific idiosyncrasy more than a representative-of-all-vendors type thing.

I definitely noticed a difference in visiting both production and the boutique builders. A pretty well known tier 2 Euro production boat builder were popping hulls out of a mould in 3-4 days. By comparison Pogo took over 6 weeks for mine, and that level of care and workmanship I found reflected in all of the different little connected workshop spaces all meticulously assembling their specialty system (composites/hull, appendages, cabinetry, plumbing , electronics, power, rigging) and you can see the pride they have in their work. Even the apprentices!

I do think you take more of a loss on resale with a non production boat.
I am about to list the 12.50 and the realistic market price is a bit of a shock when compared to the build cost. This should make a very happy buyer, so whilst not financially the best outcome for the first seller, it's a great outcome for owner number 2! The quality of a hand built product and a market corrected price.
Win.

Hey SB , Bit of a shock ,moving up?

Hi BB,
Heavy heart, but yes. I am setting up a new business so money is being watched closely, and the local scene is rife with escalating threats of legal action and personality conflicts so my love of the sport is being beaten down somewhat. I love sailing passionately, but on the weekend I was told I had to kick crew members off my boat.
Nothing to do with me or the boat, but now the politics is dictating who I can sail with. That's another escalation of the turf wars that was completely uneccessary, and a step too far. I still love sailing, but I think I'll take a few years off and go somewhere else where the money and commitment involved are appreciated, not used for personal agendas that run against the betterment of the sport. Or go and buy a single hander and do my own thing.

Oh Mate,
Been there re setting up new business and and ensuring enough working capital ,that's life.
Sorry to hear that , Just make sure you count to 15 before reacting.

roger that mate, thx.

shaggybaxter said..

Bananabender said..

shaggybaxter said..
I think it depends upon where in the sales cycle the boat is. Is it new or 3rd or 4th hand?
I suppose I fit in the latter category, as Pogo are a no dealer/stock model, they are only made to order. I wouldn't say it would fit the description of a true owner built boat, you do have some design inputs into keel/cabin layouts/electronics/sails/standing rigging etc, but not on the hull or the rig. Mind you, the lack of rig options was not something I came across with any other vendor in a racer/cruiser, so you could put that down as a bit of an vendor specific idiosyncrasy more than a representative-of-all-vendors type thing.

I definitely noticed a difference in visiting both production and the boutique builders. A pretty well known tier 2 Euro production boat builder were popping hulls out of a mould in 3-4 days. By comparison Pogo took over 6 weeks for mine, and that level of care and workmanship I found reflected in all of the different little connected workshop spaces all meticulously assembling their specialty system (composites/hull, appendages, cabinetry, plumbing , electronics, power, rigging) and you can see the pride they have in their work. Even the apprentices!

I do think you take more of a loss on resale with a non production boat.
I am about to list the 12.50 and the realistic market price is a bit of a shock when compared to the build cost. This should make a very happy buyer, so whilst not financially the best outcome for the first seller, it's a great outcome for owner number 2! The quality of a hand built product and a market corrected price.
Win.

Hey SB , Bit of a shock ,moving up?

Hi BB,
Heavy heart, but yes. I am setting up a new business so money is being watched closely, and the local scene is rife with escalating threats of legal action and personality conflicts so my love of the sport is being beaten down somewhat. I love sailing passionately, but on the weekend I was told I had to kick crew members off my boat.
Nothing to do with me or the boat, but now the politics is dictating who I can sail with. That's another escalation of the turf wars that was completely uneccessary, and a step too far. I still love sailing, but I think I'll take a few years off and go somewhere else where the money and commitment involved are appreciated, not used for personal agendas that run against the betterment of the sport. Or go and buy a single hander and do my own thing.

Welcome to Queensland yacht racing where your lawyer is more important than your bowman
sad but true

Shanty said..

Ramona said..

Interesting it has been for sale so long. At the moment there isn't any better one for sale.

It's in a difficult price range. Expensive for an SS34 though it's probably worth it. for an extra 10 grand you can have an SS39 with a superb interior!

boty said..

shaggybaxter said..

Bananabender said..

shaggybaxter said..
I think it depends upon where in the sales cycle the boat is. Is it new or 3rd or 4th hand?
I suppose I fit in the latter category, as Pogo are a no dealer/stock model, they are only made to order. I wouldn't say it would fit the description of a true owner built boat, you do have some design inputs into keel/cabin layouts/electronics/sails/standing rigging etc, but not on the hull or the rig. Mind you, the lack of rig options was not something I came across with any other vendor in a racer/cruiser, so you could put that down as a bit of an vendor specific idiosyncrasy more than a representative-of-all-vendors type thing.

I definitely noticed a difference in visiting both production and the boutique builders. A pretty well known tier 2 Euro production boat builder were popping hulls out of a mould in 3-4 days. By comparison Pogo took over 6 weeks for mine, and that level of care and workmanship I found reflected in all of the different little connected workshop spaces all meticulously assembling their specialty system (composites/hull, appendages, cabinetry, plumbing , electronics, power, rigging) and you can see the pride they have in their work. Even the apprentices!

I do think you take more of a loss on resale with a non production boat.
I am about to list the 12.50 and the realistic market price is a bit of a shock when compared to the build cost. This should make a very happy buyer, so whilst not financially the best outcome for the first seller, it's a great outcome for owner number 2! The quality of a hand built product and a market corrected price.
Win.

Hey SB , Bit of a shock ,moving up?

Hi BB,
Heavy heart, but yes. I am setting up a new business so money is being watched closely, and the local scene is rife with escalating threats of legal action and personality conflicts so my love of the sport is being beaten down somewhat. I love sailing passionately, but on the weekend I was told I had to kick crew members off my boat.
Nothing to do with me or the boat, but now the politics is dictating who I can sail with. That's another escalation of the turf wars that was completely uneccessary, and a step too far. I still love sailing, but I think I'll take a few years off and go somewhere else where the money and commitment involved are appreciated, not used for personal agendas that run against the betterment of the sport. Or go and buy a single hander and do my own thing.

sorry to hear shaggy but even though that club has great facility's the politics there has always been awful much better sailing out of the smaller clubs one of the reasons we do so much with the classic yachts no club just a bunch of like minded people better atmosphere
don't let it get you down and remember why you really sail

+1 just remember the effort involved in getting that boat. No one had any issues until you started sailing it really well. Find another club or just enjoy time on board with family.