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keensailor
keensailor
NSW
702 posts
NSW, 702 posts
27 Feb 2013 1:24am
Looking at either NRMA or Club Marine. Trying to determine which insurer would be best for catastrophic losses. Guess they are the losses which may cost the most.
Anyone got any advise about which way to go
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
27 Feb 2013 8:16am
Consider Nautilus too. Check whether the companies will actually cover you, some don't cover certain areas in NSW now.
Rattlehead
Rattlehead
QLD
555 posts
QLD, 555 posts
27 Feb 2013 3:57pm
Ramona said...
Consider Nautilus too. Check whether the companies will actually cover you, some don't cover certain areas in NSW now.


+1
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
27 Feb 2013 7:12pm
I use Nautilus.
However, all the companies have major restrictions on issues like wear and tear. Two or three years ago I asked the major insurers how they would cover me if I lost my rig offshore due to failure of a stay or fitting. They all said that even with a new rig they would put it down to wear and tear and it wouldn't be covered.
However, if I happened to hit something it would be covered.
That is why so many yachties 'hit' submerged containers/whales/logs, they are then covered by insurance.
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
27 Feb 2013 9:29pm
Do many people have 3rd Party only.... Just looking at a few different options.. If so who with ?
doug27
doug27
NSW
28 posts
NSW, 28 posts
27 Feb 2013 9:52pm
I started with club for years.bought a bigger boat and up went the premium x3.nrma was more.i was introduced to nautilus.way better but I've never claimed anything from any of them so who knows.
keensailor
keensailor
NSW
702 posts
NSW, 702 posts
27 Feb 2013 10:04pm
Thanks for all the advise, I will check out Nautilus, however I vaguely recall someone saying they don't cover yachts on swing moorings.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
28 Feb 2013 8:43am
keensailor said...
Thanks for all the advise, I will check out Nautilus, however I vaguely recall someone saying they don't cover yachts on swing moorings.



After recent storms that sent 11 yachts up on the beach at Jervis Bay some companies have informed owners that they will not be covering them in future. That's why I mentioned check that they will even cover you. I seem to recall it was Club Marine but check!
crustysailor
crustysailor
VIC
871 posts
VIC, 871 posts
28 Feb 2013 2:24pm
QBE will give fully comp on a swing mooring
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
28 Feb 2013 7:49pm
Nautilus cover boats on moorings, mine is.
The main reason I stay with them is they cover me to go to Lord Howe Island. The others either won't, make the cost prohibitive or want a full out of water survey.
morningsun
morningsun
179 posts
179 posts
1 Mar 2013 12:09am
Jedibrad said...
Do many people have 3rd Party only.... Just looking at a few different options.. If so who with ?


G.I.O. will do a 3rd party cover, called 'Essentials".
You may have to get a survey done.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
9 Mar 2013 9:01am
morningsun said...
Jedibrad said...
Do many people have 3rd Party only.... Just looking at a few different options.. If so who with ?


G.I.O. will do a 3rd party cover, called 'Essentials".
You may have to get a survey done.



The "Essentials" policy only covers yachts on moorings under 7 metres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ended up using Apia. Just another advantage of being a pensioner.
morningsun
morningsun
179 posts
179 posts
13 Mar 2013 9:10am
Ramona said...
morningsun said...
Jedibrad said...
Do many people have 3rd Party only.... Just looking at a few different options.. If so who with ?


G.I.O. will do a 3rd party cover, called 'Essentials".
You may have to get a survey done.



The "Essentials" policy only covers yachts on moorings under 7 metres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ended up using Apia. Just another advantage of being a pensioner.

I have comprehensive with G.I.O. on a just surveyed cold moulded timber / glass 10 mtr yacht on a mooring. I also have never made an insurance claim be it boat, car or house. I dont know if that reflects on their decision to cover me.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
13 Mar 2013 6:44pm
I hadn't considered them before so I just rang GIO for a quote on my SS34. The most expensive quote I have ever got, $1750 pa. I pay $1050 with Nautilus. GIO wouldn't cover Lord Howe.
Apia 3rd party $120.
If I can't get better coverage for things like my rig going over the side then Apia is looking very good.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Mar 2013 9:34am
MorningBird said...
I hadn't considered them before so I just rang GIO for a quote on my SS34. The most expensive quote I have ever got, $1750 pa. I pay $1050 with Nautilus. GIO wouldn't cover Lord Howe.
Apia 3rd party $120.
If I can't get better coverage for things like my rig going over the side then Apia is looking very good.


With sharply rising insurance premiums quite a few people are going public liability only.

I believe Suncorp does it for about $90.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
14 Mar 2013 6:39pm
cisco said...
MorningBird said...
I hadn't considered them before so I just rang GIO for a quote on my SS34. The most expensive quote I have ever got, $1750 pa. I pay $1050 with Nautilus. GIO wouldn't cover Lord Howe.
Apia 3rd party $120.
If I can't get better coverage for things like my rig going over the side then Apia is looking very good.


With sharply rising insurance premiums quite a few people are going public liability only.

I believe Suncorp does it for about $90.


I think Suncorp only handles trailer boats. Nautilus wanted $465 and a survey and a colour photo just for 3rd party! I paid $180 with Apia, not sure how that height challenged bloke got it for $120!
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
14 Mar 2013 11:03pm
You mean the young bloke with tremendously good looks in a compact package!!!
I just asked the APIA lady what 3rd party would cost me. They wanted to know the mooring postcode, construction, diesel/petrol, age etc. The answer was $120.80 to be exact.
It might be the high crime area where you live, full of geriatric pensioner vandals that go around taking photos of other peoples property, they need the higher premium for.
sctpc
sctpc
VIC
80 posts
VIC, 80 posts
15 Mar 2013 12:02am
Anyone know who the underwriter is for APIA Im not that old
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Mar 2013 11:45pm
Probably the short bloke.

The tall bloke does the overwriting.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
15 Mar 2013 8:41am
sctpc said...
Anyone know who the underwriter is for APIA Im not that old



Dunno. The age limit is over 50 and not working full time. Most of their insurance is for caravans apparently.

My last yacht was covered comprehensively with CGU. Would not cover this one. Lots of restrictions these days and strangely even with comprehensive some companies don't cover the rig! Although they want to know its value to calculate the premium! If your boat is over 30 years old its very difficult now. Fairly small percentage of yachts about under 30 when you think about it.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
15 Mar 2013 6:24pm
MorningBird said...
You mean the young bloke with tremendously good looks in a compact package!!!
I just asked the APIA lady what 3rd party would cost me. They wanted to know the mooring postcode, construction, diesel/petrol, age etc. The answer was $120.80 to be exact.
It might be the high crime area where you live, full of geriatric pensioner vandals that go around taking photos of other peoples property, they need the higher premium for.


Paper work arrived today and it was $120.80. I must have had a senior moment and miss heard.
For my dinghy racing I use Nautilus 3rd party. That costs $50 but also covers racing. Its a fixed price for recognised classes.
HaveFun
HaveFun
NSW
201 posts
NSW, 201 posts
19 Mar 2013 7:05am
I note from the Nautilus website that it is an agency underwritten by various Loyds syndicates and has only been around for only a few years. The website discloses they are an agency underwritten by a number of syndicates at Lloyds with a binder which allows them to assess and pay claims. I note they have a warning which says that in the event of a claim they act for the Lloyds syndicates and not you the boat owner. Has anyone had any experience on claims and if so what type of claim and what was your experience.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
19 Mar 2013 9:17am
HaveFun said...
I note from the Nautilus website that it is an agency underwritten by various Loyds syndicates and has only been around for only a few years. The website discloses they are an agency underwritten by a number of syndicates at Lloyds with a binder which allows them to assess and pay claims. I note they have a warning which says that in the event of a claim they act for the Lloyds syndicates and not you the boat owner. Has anyone had any experience on claims and if so what type of claim and what was your experience.


Nautilus is the insurance company linked to the Yachting Association web page. They seem to be the company of choice for dinghy racers. Some of the yachts that were beached a few months ago at Jervis Bay had trouble with their insurance covers. I do not know which companies were involved just that there were problems and some people had policies cancelled and some were told to go elsewhere next year.
Interestingly I had a quote from CGU arrive yesterday in the mail. They told me they would not cover me on the phone because the yacht is over 30. The quote for comprehensive was just over $800 which is very competitive, no mention of rig age or a survey!
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
23 Mar 2013 8:36pm
Some folks from sunny Victoria use overseas mobs like Edward William. They even insure ferro-cement boats for a reasonable amount but l do not know anyone who had a claim.
Downboy
Downboy
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
24 Mar 2013 8:07am
I've used Edward William for a few years, easy to deal with, no survey required,
probably fight to the death over a claim but they all do!
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