Cant reply to the original thread so i thought id start this one.
Amazing how the threads start and how they end sometimes isnt it. Goes off on some weird tangent and ends up not being about Bukh Sail drives! haha.
Thanks Meg for the compliment. I appreciate that coming from someone with so much first hand experience and appreciate your very genuine posts. Wisdom Vs Knowledge. Wisdom comes about by doing. Knowledge is learned from books, internet, talking etc , but never from doing. I prefer to learn by doing.
ANYWAY. This'll probably annoy some people, but i just dunno about inboards. Im reading some posts lately by some of the fine members here and they seem like a real hassle. My new tophat has just an outboard. There was a guy selling a tophat up north with no complex systems on it whatsover. He successfully circumnavigated around cape horn and across the australian bight and south africa on this tophat. photos to prove it, small dinghy, outboard, surfboards, snow. beautiful.
I dont know what im missing regarding having a sail drive. All i know is - i can fix an outboard and theres not alot that can go wrong with them. Im a big fan of keeping it simple.
I guy in woodford bay just ripped his old engine out and replaced it with some cheap chinese thing. left the engine in the mangroves to rust away into the harbour. Nice. He's selling this boat. I guess with a bigger boat you must use an inboard, but im never going over 30foot.

There are a few catamaran designs (up to 40') which use outboards. Usually two Yamaha 9 Hp. There are a couple that use one outboard from a centre pod. So I don't think 'size' is really a factor.

My personal opinion is with everything that goes against a yacht already drag wise, if you can tilt the motor out of the water when under way, go that option. Especially if you a knowledgeable in their maintenance.

Sectorsteve said..
Cant reply to the original thread so i thought id start this one.
Amazing how the threads start and how they end sometimes isnt it. Goes off on some weird tangent and ends up not being about Bukh Sail drives! haha.
Thanks Meg for the compliment. I appreciate that coming from someone with so much first hand experience and appreciate your very genuine posts. Wisdom Vs Knowledge. Wisdom comes about by doing. Knowledge is learned from books, internet, talking etc , but never from doing. I prefer to learn by doing.
ANYWAY. This'll probably annoy some people, but i just dunno about inboards. Im reading some posts lately by some of the fine members here and they seem like a real hassle. My new tophat has just an outboard. There was a guy selling a tophat up north with no complex systems on it whatsover. He successfully circumnavigated around cape horn and across the australian bight and south africa on this tophat. photos to prove it, small dinghy, outboard, surfboards, snow. beautiful.
I dont know what im missing regarding having a sail drive. All i know is - i can fix an outboard and theres not alot that can go wrong with them. Im a big fan of keeping it simple.
I guy in woodford bay just ripped his old engine out and replaced it with some cheap chinese thing. left the engine in the mangroves to rust away into the harbour. Nice. He's selling this boat. I guess with a bigger boat you must use an inboard, but im never going over 30foot.

You are probably right as for under 30ft goes as far as outboard power goes. I had a Yamaha 9.9 High thrust short shaft on my Noelex 30. For a total weight of less than 50 kg and price $3k could replace the outboard regularly. The Noelexes have an outboard well with a fitted hatch so that the motor is quite central in the boat but has a completely smooth bottom when the hatch is installed.
On the 30 foot sportsboat we are reworking we have fitted an outboard powerhead to a saildrive leg with a CNC machined manifold to connect the powerhead to the leg. Probably 50kg weight saving.
My son has simply gone engineless in his H28 so has no worries whatsoever from that regard

crustysailor said..
the 9.9 high thrust is a great engine, especially the older model which had a different gear ratio and was based on the 15Hp.
The newer just don't have the same grunt as before.
Mines is from 2002 and I'll be stuffed when it finally dies from salt water and minimal maintenance over it's life.
Can we raise a few million $$ between us and put these back into production?

Yea I had the 9.9AES. They are a great motor as auxiliary.

Packing the old sail drive tonight its sold boat dollars for some thing else
At least it will get used and not sit around here

Meg1122 said...
Good to hear HG, sounds like it was a mutually satisfying exchange for you both :).

Sure was both payies got what thru wanted

Top Hats with inboards are definitely shaft drive...

Sectorsteve said..
I actually dont know what a sail drive is !! Haha. I was thinking a sail drive was just inboard motor..

That was self evident from your original post. What wasn't so evident was whether it was your wisdom or knowledge base doing the posting.


The smiles do not take away from the apparent intent of this otherwise uncalled for post Frant. A fine line is being walked. Enough is enough. Consider yourself warned.

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frant said..

Sectorsteve said..
I actually dont know what a sail drive is !! Haha. I was thinking a sail drive was just inboard motor..

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The smiles do not take away from the apparent intent of this otherwise uncalled for post Frant. A fine line is being walked. Enough is enough. Consider yourself warned.

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Given the events as they have unfolded I acknowledge that my post has walked the fine line. Thank you to the administration for your understanding. I take on board the warning!

Steve, I think you have the perfect combination available on a Top Hat, a Mk1 with a cut-out transom & an outboard. Simply allowing to tilt the outboard up & out of the water.
I have had outboards in the well (of MK III's) & they are a bit of a nuisance to manhandle out of the well & can take up some cockpit area if you have an elaborate slide or pulley system.
As you venture further afield up & down the NSW coast(as you will in the TH ), the danger of fish/crab pots can not be underestimated. I would of ran over crab pots 80% of the times I have gone out sailing coastal, the TH has a forgiving underwater profile plus the ability to untangle the propeller of the OB(if it was in the water at the time) will be very appreciated at the time!