Compass Refill Mystery

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jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
15 Nov 2019 8:59am
So, I decided to replace the dome on my compass with a shiny new one, the old one was scratched and has seen better days. It's a Ritchie flush mount. Got a kit with dome, seals, and diaphragm and added new liquid. It was a slight challenge getting all the air out, but I got there eventually. Put it back on the yacht and it all looked like new.

A couple of days later I went back on the yacht and noticed an air bubble the size of a 5 cent piece. I couldn't find a leak anywhere and assumed that there must have been air trapped in somewhere and bubbled up or the liquid leaked and evaporated. I left it to be dealt with another day.

Another couple of days later I was back on the yacht and, to my surprise, there was no more bubble. Nothing at all. And no, the liquid didn't leak out, it was full. An air bubble at the top of a dome can not escape, the yacht hasn't moved healed or anything that could have pushed the bubble into a cavity within the compass.

I have been told by Ritchie to use low odour Paraffin Spirit to refill the compass (not Paraffin oil). I could only find Paraffin oil, so I decided to go with low odour Kerosene spirit, which is a less refined version of Paraffin.

Does anyone know what's going on there?
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
15 Nov 2019 7:24am
May be just temperature affecting the fluid.
The bubble may be a vacuum and not a bubble of air

Had a similar problem when I filled an old WW1 prismatic compass. I filled it totally by submerging the whole compass in a container of fluid but in a day or two a bubble appeared only to disappear again latter. I had thought about cooling the fluid before filling would help.
Serenite
Serenite
48 posts
48 posts
15 Nov 2019 10:55am
I only topped mine up to remove a bubble but got the same advice Jolene mentioned above re cooling. My research suggested put the compass and top up fluid in the freezer for 24 hours prior.

I presumed the idea was I'd get some contraction when chilled and then expansion as it returned to ambient temp when back on the boat.

My reading suggested mineral oil (in my case baby oil) rather than parrafin though.

Like I said on my post when I did it, I don't profess to be an expert.
GKandCC
GKandCC
NSW
218 posts
NSW, 218 posts
18 Nov 2019 12:45pm
Jev7337, some gauges etc purposefully have a bubble which allows the dampening fluid to expand and contract with changes in the ambient temperature without blowing the seals. If there was not this bubble a big rise in temp would force the liquid out through the rubber seals, possibly damaging them.
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
18 Nov 2019 8:25pm
GKandCC said..
Jev7337, some gauges etc purposefully have a bubble which allows the dampening fluid to expand and contract with changes in the ambient temperature without blowing the seals. If there was not this bubble a big rise in temp would force the liquid out through the rubber seals, possibly damaging them.


No, my compass has a diaphragm to compensate for expansion of volume due to temperature changes, that got replaced as well.
The temperature has been all over the place in Melbourne lately (as always) but have not seen any sign of a bubble over the last 2 weeks.
ReefMagnet
ReefMagnet
QLD
45 posts
QLD, 45 posts
20 Nov 2019 12:19am
I refilled my ancient plastimo compass with lamp oil after sticking the whole kebang in the freezer for the day. A small bubble appeared a day or two later but eventually disappeared when installed on the boat and hasn't come back. I suspect it gets absorbed into the oil somehow. Maybe the movement of the boat helps the gas to stay absorbed?
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