Dyneema for safety lines

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2bish
2bish
TAS
825 posts
TAS, 825 posts
11 Aug 2017 9:15pm
Has anyone replaced their safety lines with Dyneema? I'll need to do our old plastic coated stainless wire ones sometime and thought that dyneema could be a good way to go.
DAMA
DAMA
QLD
239 posts
QLD, 239 posts
11 Aug 2017 9:46pm
Yeah no problem , and you can pick your favorite colour!
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
WA, 855 posts
11 Aug 2017 8:12pm
Can't have them for racing though.
TKNick
TKNick
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
12 Aug 2017 6:24am
I replaced mine with dyneema 6 years ago and still holding up well.
Foolish
Foolish
65 posts
65 posts
12 Aug 2017 4:44am
I once interviewed a singlehanded skipper who fell off his mini and was dragged by his tether. The big problem was that he couldn't get back over the wire lifelines, so he was dragged for 10 minutes. We decided that if he'd had Dyneema lifelines, he could have cut them and just rolled back onto the boat. Then tied the lifelines back together again. As a singlehander I use Dyneema now, based on that conversation.
So when you think about how hard it is, even with a full crew, to get a person back on board, the ability to just use your knife to cut the Dyneema lifelines makes a lot of sense. Dyneema is cheap. Good crew less-so.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
NSW, 7756 posts
12 Aug 2017 7:23am
Foolish said..
I once interviewed a singlehanded skipper who fell off his mini and was dragged by his tether. The big problem was that he couldn't get back over the wire lifelines, so he was dragged for 10 minutes. We decided that if he'd had Dyneema lifelines, he could have cut them and just rolled back onto the boat. Then tied the lifelines back together again. As a singlehander I use Dyneema now, based on that conversation.
So when you think about how hard it is, even with a full crew, to get a person back on board, the ability to just use your knife to cut the Dyneema lifelines makes a lot of sense. Dyneema is cheap. Good crew less-so.


The trouble is in Australia it is illegal to carry a knife. You could have a pocket knife, manual only. It would mean using two hands to open the blade while your being towed then pulling your self up and still holding the knife. Better to have your tether short enough to keep you going over the side!
Foolish
Foolish
65 posts
65 posts
12 Aug 2017 5:45am
It's illegal to carry a knife on a sailboat, while you are sailing??? Huh???

Yes, it's better to not fall over at all, but he was up on the bow working on the sails, which required standing. On a Mini it doesn't take much to fall over.

Now that's an Aussi knife.

PeterHazael
PeterHazael
QLD
50 posts
QLD, 50 posts
12 Aug 2017 9:15am
Ramona said..

Foolish said..
I once interviewed a singlehanded skipper who fell off his mini and was dragged by his tether. The big problem was that he couldn't get back over the wire lifelines, so he was dragged for 10 minutes. We decided that if he'd had Dyneema lifelines, he could have cut them and just rolled back onto the boat. Then tied the lifelines back together again. As a singlehander I use Dyneema now, based on that conversation.
So when you think about how hard it is, even with a full crew, to get a person back on board, the ability to just use your knife to cut the Dyneema lifelines makes a lot of sense. Dyneema is cheap. Good crew less-so.



The trouble is in Australia it is illegal to carry a knife. You could have a pocket knife, manual only. It would mean using two hands to open the blade while your being towed then pulling your self up and still holding the knife. Better to have your tether short enough to keep you going over the side!


Carrying a knife for the purpose of work is acceptable according to the Qld police website.
Leatherman skeletool is the go, you can open the blade one handed and it locks.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
12 Aug 2017 9:18am
Better to make the boat user friendly . One shoe never fits every one
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
2bish
2bish
TAS
825 posts
TAS, 825 posts
14 Aug 2017 10:24pm
Thanks, what diameter did you use?

Not for racing... Even club racing?
slammin
slammin
QLD
998 posts
QLD, 998 posts
15 Aug 2017 5:52am
I use 4mm. Just remember not to rush past it as it will give a nasty rope burn.
sydchris
sydchris
NSW
387 posts
NSW, 387 posts
15 Aug 2017 7:30am
From the YA Special Regs, which apply to racing in all categories:





rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
15 Aug 2017 8:10am
The biggest issue with dyneema is not chafe at the staunchions as everyone always thinks but heat created by sheets running over it. One of the big boats tried it and burnt through it in one gybe when a technora covered assy sheet ran over it!

Now that prob won't be an issue with most cruisers but that's the main reason it's not allowed for racing.
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2677 posts
QLD, 2677 posts
15 Aug 2017 8:41am
An alternate is to lash the end of the stainless steel safety line with a dyneema loop.
Across the transom I have the stainless steel turnbuckles lashed to the pushpit with a dyneema loop so I can cut it.
I still use the turnbuckle to set the tension, the dyneema hasn't been undone aside from checking it.
Survived a Cat 2 audit, and the boat is rated to Cat 0, so I assume it's legal!

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