Fixed, feathering or folding propellor

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Achernar
Achernar
QLD
397 posts
QLD, 397 posts
16 Sep 2019 8:36pm
I'm buying a Cavalier 28 with a slightly rattly folding prop. I'm looking forward to some cruising and a bit of friendly racing.

The current prop is not a big problem but , at some point in the not too distant future (probably the next haul out), I'll need to replace it. On Saturday, I went for a test-sail and discussed it with the current owner and his mate, who previously owned a different Cav28. So, I'm thinking through the pros and cons.

I also called a marine engineer and Austral Props in Sydney. The engineer cautioned that repairing the current prop could cost as much as a new one. Austral Props warned me about buying the cheaper folding props (e.g. Gori), because they will not last as long. Also, Austral advised that a good 2-blade 16 inch folding prop would be about $1850 in Bronze and $2220 in Stainless Steel. The Stainless Steel prop will be more durable than the bronze prop.

Fixed prop
Pro - cheaper, less to go wrong, good in reverse, balances the engine better (according to the owner's mate)
Con - You'll lose half a knot

Feathering prop (didn't come up in conversation, but worth a mention)
Pro - As good in reverse as a fixed prop, small loss in speed but much less than half a knot (probably not noticeable)
Con - Most expensive option, complex moving parts (more to go wrong)

Folding prop
Pro - Best for speed
Con - Some complex moving parts, but simpler than feathering prop.

(PS My interpretations of performance come from www.yachtingmonthly.com/gear/folding-and-feathering-propeller-test-29807)
Stockie
Stockie
NSW
343 posts
NSW, 343 posts
16 Sep 2019 9:28pm
Everyone will have their favourite option, but I can say I'm happy with a 2 blade folding prop, the Flexo fold is pretty good, value and performance. You can get a quote off them direct, or though a local agent. Two blade is good for sailing performance, and no issue in opinion motoring. As far as lifespan, if you treat it kindly, IE pause between ahead and astern
they should last 10 years or more. Also astern performance is good, once you get way on, the prop wash ceases.
cheers Richard
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
17 Sep 2019 7:00am
On my old Adams 28 l had a bronze twin folding prop which was ratty when l bought it seven years ago and the tub was sold with the same prop last year, and it is still running fine.

Sailing off one's mooring or sailing out an anchor saves a lot of prop and whacking it from forward into reverse, as many lunatics do, would kill a new prop sooner than later.

So, do not rush out and spend a fortune until it is absolutely necessary!
(Buy an ounce of gold instead, you won't regret it in a year or so! )

Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
17 Sep 2019 7:15am
Achernar said..
I'm buying a Cavalier 28 with a slightly rattly folding prop. I'm looking forward to some cruising and a bit of friendly racing.

The current prop is not a big problem but , at some point in the not too distant future (probably the next haul out), I'll need to replace it.


Just keep it clean. They all rattle. If you have a yacht use a feathering or a folder. If you have a motor boat use a fixed.
boty
boty
QLD
685 posts
QLD, 685 posts
17 Sep 2019 8:09am
Ramona said..

Achernar said..
I'm buying a Cavalier 28 with a slightly rattly folding prop. I'm looking forward to some cruising and a bit of friendly racing.

The current prop is not a big problem but , at some point in the not too distant future (probably the next haul out), I'll need to replace it.



Just keep it clean. They all rattle. If you have a yacht use a feathering or a folder. If you have a motor boat use a fixed.


agree completely
troubadour
troubadour
NSW
335 posts
NSW, 335 posts
17 Sep 2019 8:11am
Talk to Glen at D H Porter in Parramatta. He knows the Cav and what it needs
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
17 Sep 2019 1:13pm
Nothing wrong with Gori props. Glen at porters recommends them and there is no better recommendation than his.
I have a 2 bladed folding 15X10 Gori on my boat and it is perfect for cruising.
2bish
2bish
TAS
825 posts
TAS, 825 posts
17 Sep 2019 2:05pm
Hi Achernar, Gori's are good props and there are a lot of them in use locally, don't reject using it yet. I would also take an austral employees advice with a grain of salt, of course they're going to say there's is best and the rest are rubbish. Because you didn't say, I presume you don't know what's causing the rattling? So I'd recommend waiting until you have the boat out of the water and then inspect it and have a local engineering shop quote on any repair. At least you'll have some solid facts to work with.

I've just installed a 3 blade Flexofold, bronze prop. I based the purchase on that article you referenced.
troubadour
troubadour
NSW
335 posts
NSW, 335 posts
17 Sep 2019 2:34pm
Have you checked the easy things first? Coupling bolts tight. Engine mounts. Could be the p bracket bearing is flogged out. Prop could be loose on the taper.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
17 Sep 2019 6:40pm
troubadour said..
Have you checked the easy things first? Coupling bolts tight. Engine mounts. Could be the p bracket bearing is flogged out. Prop could be loose on the taper.


Shaft anode could be loose too.
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
17 Sep 2019 8:34pm
not rattly folding but .........the first prop i had was an old old auto stream 2 blade feather-er and it did rattle when not in the water , but when in use all good .....
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
17 Sep 2019 8:39pm
You see lots of folders lifted out rattly with wear in the hinge,,, how that affects them???? and you hear yachties whine about their performance in reverse.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
18 Sep 2019 8:10am
My folding prop is fine in reverse. The S&S won't steer in reverse due to the hull shape (prop wash doesn't hit the rudder) but it stops and goes astern very well.
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