How good are tiller pilots!!

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hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
NSW, 397 posts
23 Mar 2013 11:47am
I recently bought a Raymarine ST2000 tiller pilot for my 11m sports cat and when i held it in my hands i thought there is no way this little thing is going to steer the boat??
I made a bracket for it off the rear cross beam and about a week ago on a single handed trip south i went through the manual to do the commisioning and initial startup proceedure and within minutes i had it working.
I was amazed at the accuracy of the thing! The boat was only going slow and i thought that when things got a little faster then it would not work very well. (its a pretty quick boat top speed so far is 23knots with half sized ragged out sails).
Well i was wrong! This little machine was steering the boat at speeds of 20 knots and while surfing down waves with insane acceleration it would react fast enough to not get into trouble. Im Pretty stoked! Thanks Mr Ray from Raymarine
Oh and by the way im not trying to pimp a product, Just sharing the joy!!
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
23 Mar 2013 4:22pm
My Simrad TP32 is also an excellent pilot. It holds a good course, steers through a tack well. A bit noisy, I don't think they are as refined as the Raymarine, but are powerful and simple. It holds the S&S in a strong breeze with a quartering sea, the least favoured point of sail so not an easy task.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
23 Mar 2013 3:57pm
I have Raymarine ST 2000, too. Guess a bit overkill on smaller boat.
Agree with hang time, I still trying to reduce ,,sea state,, not much luck.
Under 4 knots and bumpy sea, you should see it working.

Just advice, old ST1000 which came with the boat died very soon,
to open it see the workmanship of Ryamarine, problem was obvious
,,salt water damage,, lesson is - not 100% waterproof



cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Mar 2013 2:55am
As far as I am aware Raymarine and Autohelm are the same company.

Maybe one is the Falcon and the other the Fairmont and are American.

Simrad is owned by Navico (Swedish or Norwegian) which also owns Brooks and Gatehouse (top of the line), North Star (formerly Navman from Kiwiland) Lowrance and MX Marine.

Simrad has commercial and yachting divisions and appears to sit in the mid range of quality.

I think I will be buying Simrad as Raymarine and Autohelm have not enjoyed a reputation for quality over the years.

@ hangtime. You seem to be enjoying the life of Riley. How do you fund it?????
hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
NSW, 397 posts
24 Mar 2013 10:07am
I think i was so impressed as the autohelm on my other boat struggles to hold a course about 30% of the time and is a bit fragile. But this little unit is on a much faster boat and does a much better job.
Doesnt matter what brand, Its good technology.
As for the life of Riley? well i only share sailing stories here, you should see the other **** i get up to.
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
VIC, 1230 posts
24 Mar 2013 6:58pm
I had a Raymarine ST2000 on my Noelex and thought that it was pretty good. On present boat have a Raymarine Smartpilot which is effectively a computer that uses a fluxgate compass for heading info to drive a powerfull electric ram mounted onto the steering quadrant. This thing really rocks! it has a gyro stabilizer built in and smartlearn function so that it feels the roll and yaw in a seaway and learns to improve its steering from the last wave. A good helmsman can get a higher top speed by choosing which wave to surf but the autopilot will maintain a higher average speed, particularly at night. Best results are obtained by trimming the sails for a set windspeed/wind angle and then using the remote to steer up or down to suit the wind shifts and gusts but let the pilot actually steer the course that you choose. This works particularly well under spinnaker where you can sail along with the luff just rolling . We call it flying by wire.Must admit that I have spent some watches sitting at the nav table with radar and AIS on lookout just sailing the boat by instruments. Got to remember to pop your head up every 15 minutes for a visual though.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
24 Mar 2013 10:16pm
One thing I like about the Simrad is you don't need to cut more holes in your boat. It is all self contained in the unit. I particularly didn't like the idea of cutting a hole in my cockpit for the Raymarine control panel.
scruzin
scruzin
SA
564 posts
SA, 564 posts
27 Mar 2013 12:07am
I'm extremely happy with my Raymarine SmartPilot X-10, which steers accurately in all conditions (so far). The drive unit for my system is a rotary drive unit driving the steering column (not a tiller unit). Full write-up of my installation can be found at:
blog.arribasail.com/2013/01/tech-arriba-gets-autopilot.html
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
27 Mar 2013 12:21am
Auto pilots are handy for when you need to go below to knock up a feed or do a security check, or on deck to do a sail change.

Beyond that they ain't near as intelligent as a human helms bloke/shiela.
hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
NSW, 397 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:33am
Disagree with you there Cisco the Lord of seabreeze forums!
When cruising the Aotopilot goes on when the anchor comes up and goes off when the anchor goes down and speaking to other cruisers most of them are the same.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
27 Mar 2013 8:44am
hangtime, sorry, that's how you Cat. people sailing
Guess not us, real sailors.
QLDCruiser
QLDCruiser
QLD
160 posts
QLD, 160 posts
27 Mar 2013 9:30am
I have to agree with Hangtime on this one. While I do enjoy steering the boat while racing, on a cruising day the autopilot does the work while I enjoy the scenery.
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
VIC, 1230 posts
27 Mar 2013 12:29pm
QLDCruiser said...
I have to agree with Hangtime on this one. While I do enjoy steering the boat while racing, on a cruising day the autopilot does the work while I enjoy the scenery.


I usually sit behind the helmsman while racing with the tablet in hand. If you get an incompetent owner driver the autopilot can go on without his knowlege to keep boatspeed up to the polars.
Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
7 Apr 2013 9:43am
the part of sailing i enjoy the most is steering. i think thats why so many new people get in to trouble when it gets nasty. they cant steer their boat. know this will cause a stir but.... i sail both monos, cats and tris
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