Keelboat questions

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Madmouse
Madmouse
436 posts
436 posts
8 May 2021 4:39pm
Friend has been looking at boats in the 34 to 38 foot range. The french brand. Been wondering the following:

How will a shallow draft eg 1.45m sail compared to a standard draft? E.g upwind

How much is new standing rigging on that size boat?

How much is a new/reco diesel around 24-30 hp?

regards
Stephen
lydia
lydia
1944 posts
1944 posts
8 May 2021 5:48pm
Go the deeper keel
Standing rigging about $7k including turnbuckles
New diesel about $12k plus fitting
Ilenart
Ilenart
WA
250 posts
WA, 250 posts
8 May 2021 8:22pm
lydia is spot on with costs. A shallow keel will not perform as well as the deep keel upwind. By how much is hard to estimate.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2712 posts
NSW, 2712 posts
8 May 2021 10:27pm
Ilenart said..
lydia is spot on with costs. A shallow keel will not perform as well as the deep keel upwind. By how much is hard to estimate.


+1
Madmouse
Madmouse
436 posts
436 posts
8 May 2021 8:35pm
Thanks
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7758 posts
NSW, 7758 posts
9 May 2021 8:11am
Rebuilt Kubota's are about $2400 on eBay. Full rebuild kits are surprisingly cheap.
Madmouse
Madmouse
436 posts
436 posts
9 May 2021 6:29am
Thanks. Just good to know an idea of big ticket items.
Azure305
Azure305
NSW
402 posts
NSW, 402 posts
9 May 2021 2:14pm
Ilenart said..
A shallow keel will not perform as well as the deep keel upwind. By how much is hard to estimate.


Madmouse - hope this helps.
Azure is 30' and a shoal draft version at 1.4m compared to the std version at 1.7m. There is a std F305 not far from me and we often sail in the same area. Comparing the two, the boat speeds are pretty much the same, pointing is also roughly the same when we both have the same headsail up, but where I really lose out is the leeway. If we were racing id be at quite a disadvantage, losing perhaps 30-50m or more(depending on the tide) to leeward on a average 1nm tack. For cruising of course that doesn't matter to me*.
Also, Azure is a bit more tender in gusty conditions.
(*i get my racing fix on a mates 9.5m lightweight flyer)

Edit: I'd also add that in perfect light conditions with no tide, I reckon there'd be really not much between them.
Madmouse
Madmouse
436 posts
436 posts
9 May 2021 4:46pm
Thats good info thanks.

I suppose the way to beat the other boat is to lure them into the shallows!
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