Lithium Battery Replacement

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Toph
Toph
WA
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WA, 1893 posts
30 Jun 2026 7:06pm
My AGMs are not particularly all that old but I suspected they were buggered due to my own neglect.


I will almost definitely upgrade to LiFePO4 with an increased capacity. There are some great deals at the moment and LiFEPO4 batteries are definitely getting cheaper.

What I’m becoming more and more confused with are the actual cells used in the battery. EVA seems to be common but expensive. Maybe they are in the likes of Victron branded batteries. But this one from Salty Captain (didn’t know they made batteries) seems like a good price and my research shows that’s the battery cells are of a good quality also..

Has Lithium now largely just come down to brand names or is there still a big difference in the cells?

saltycaptain.com.au/products/powercell-200ah-super-slim-battery-with-bluetooth
garymalmgren
garymalmgren
1397 posts
1397 posts
30 Jun 2026 7:47pm
Hi Toph
Re Lithium batteries
There are lots of guys with opinions on Youtube.
One guy that I take seriously is Kevin Bothby.
He is a full time live aboard with a circumnavigation in the engineless Ruth Avery. under his belt.
5 years ago he switched to Lithium batteries. and he has had no problems since then.


Re your question "Has Lithium just come down to brand name or is there still a bog difference in the cells?"
My answer, We used to say you get what you pay for.
Now with rebranding that is not so set in stone.
Distributors buy in bulk and then rebrand, so it has become really difficult to discern between expensive = the best and expensive = a rebrand.
Made in China or assembled in the U.S?
Assembled in the U. S. (or any other country) could just mean slipped into the shipping cardboard box.
Check Kevin's take. I might help you decide.

gary
Toph
Toph
WA
1893 posts
WA, 1893 posts
30 Jun 2026 8:43pm
garymalmgren said..
My answer, We used to say you get what you pay for.



And this has become the issue. You use to buy quality in Pioneer, Samsung, Sony etc for 1000’s of dollars or a Grogen for a few 100 dollars to find that it’s a rebranded Samsung. Turns out same quality even if it’s not the latest model.


I’ll watch that video Gary, and thanks for your reply. I’m looking for maybe 400 amps so I’ll take a closer look at those Salty Captains.
Trek
Trek
NSW
1222 posts
NSW, 1222 posts
2 Jul 2026 4:03am
IMHO even LiFePO4 barreries can burn but are enormously safer than other chemistries. Thermal run away much less likely. Since we cant see inside a big battery we have to assume its unknown BMS and cell quality unless certified. So take precautions. Put them in a metal vented box so if they fail the fire is less likely to sink the boat. Like on aircraft that use them. And monitor their temperature. I dont have mine in a box but both batteries have temperature sensors glued on top to trigger an alarm if they get hot and isolation relays to disconnect them if that happens.Maybe Im paranoid but fires on boats are scary.
Kinora
Kinora
VIC
196 posts
VIC, 196 posts
2 Jul 2026 5:58pm
Trek said..
IMHO even LiFePO4 barreries can burn but are enormously safer than other chemistries. Thermal run away much less likely. Since we cant see inside a big battery we have to assume its unknown BMS and cell quality unless certified. So take precautions. Put them in a metal vented box so if they fail the fire is less likely to sink the boat. Like on aircraft that use them. And monitor their temperature. I dont have mine in a box but both batteries have temperature sensors glued on top to trigger an alarm if they get hot and isolation relays to disconnect them if that happens.Maybe Im paranoid but fires on boats are scary.


I was told recently that I could only upgrade to Lithium batteries if they were in a sealed compartment that vented outside the cabin. Is this so? In that case my upgrade options are limited without substantial work.
Trek
Trek
NSW
1222 posts
NSW, 1222 posts
3 Jul 2026 7:38am
There actually is a USA standard for installation of lithium batteries on boats ABYC E-13. The American Boat and Yacht Council’s industry-standard for the safe installation, operation, and maintenance of lithium-ion battery systems on recreational boats. It requires marine-certified batteries that meet IEC62619 (ie. they should come with a certificate of safety), proper ventilation, robust Battery Management Systems (BMS that actually work and are bullet proof), and secure restraints. This is an excellent guide. In Australia there is AS/NZS 3004.2:2014 which are government mandated standards for installation of lithium batteries on recreational vessels.
Kinora
Kinora
VIC
196 posts
VIC, 196 posts
3 Jul 2026 9:57am
Trek said..
There actually is a USA standard for installation of lithium batteries on boats ABYC E-13. The American Boat and Yacht Council’s industry-standard for the safe installation, operation, and maintenance of lithium-ion battery systems on recreational boats. It requires marine-certified batteries that meet IEC62619 (ie. they should come with a certificate of safety), proper ventilation, robust Battery Management Systems (BMS that actually work and are bullet proof), and secure restraints. This is an excellent guide. In Australia there is AS/NZS 3004.2:2014 which are government mandated standards for installation of lithium batteries on recreational vessels.


Many thanks, Trek.

K.
UncleBob
UncleBob
NSW
1315 posts
NSW, 1315 posts
4 Jul 2026 9:25am
I actually contacted my insurance carrier and was told that they had no problem with lithium provided that it was lifePo4, met the relevant standard and the installation was inspected for compliance with the relevant installation standards.
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