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S&S Defiance 30 - Plans & Specifications

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Created by X24 2 months ago, 11 Oct 2018
X24
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11 Oct 2018 11:06AM
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Greetings,

I've just joined this forum after being led here by the enthralling account of the original Defiance restoration project while doing some research in preparation for buying my first yacht - that's if you don't count a 1953 clinker-built kauri Frostbite...

I'm trying to source plans and/or accurate specifications for the Defiance 30 (wide-hull version if possible) as I am about to purchase one and am trying to find out as much about them as possible. There are many accounts online about how good they are and where they have been, but no technical data - most of the information I have read about their history has been on this forum. They are not listed on sailboatdata.com for instance, unless the Northstar 1000 is considered close enough? If anyone has any info about how the wider-hulled version came into being, or knows where I could go to find out, I would be most grateful.

The one I'm getting seems to have a good provenance and has spent her life cruising on the Gippsland lakes. The interior arrangement was professionally done but is very basic and the boat oozes potential if you are someone who likes tampering with things, and I'm already thinking about how she might be improved down the track a bit which is what got me thinking about plans.

Chris 249
NSW, 1647 posts
11 Oct 2018 4:07PM
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Wider hull version? I know of the long cabin version, but no wider version.

Are you thinking of the Swarbrick built S&S 30 as the narrower version? They are like a baby S&S 34.

lydia
714 posts
11 Oct 2018 1:08PM
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Check out the S&S archive at Mystic Seaport.
It is design 2096.
Also there is no such thing as a wide body version.
I would be interested to know where that comes from.
Defiance is not the plug for the Savage 30 production boat, that was a boat called Pajen built by Jack Savage.
There are very slight differences, for instance Defiance has a very slightly fuller bow section and less rocker.
There is the Yankee 30 which is very different and a version was built by Swarbricks.
Cheers

Ramona
NSW, 4538 posts
11 Oct 2018 5:41PM
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I would just buy the one on eBay.

www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yacht/142959334649?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

jbear
NSW, 53 posts
12 Oct 2018 8:15AM
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lydia the Swanson 30 was very similar to the Defiance 30 and that might be the wider version ! But I might be wrong ? i know there only 7 of them were built

Regards JB

Ramona
NSW, 4538 posts
12 Oct 2018 8:44AM
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lydia said..
Check out the S&S archive at Mystic Seaport.
It is design 2096.
Also there is no such thing as a wide body version.
I would be interested to know where that comes from.
Defiance is not the plug for the Savage 30 production boat, that was a boat called Pajen built by Jack Savage.
There are very slight differences, for instance Defiance has a very slightly fuller bow section and less rocker.
There is the Yankee 30 which is very different and a version was built by Swarbricks.
Cheers


There are a couple of cold molded hulls with fibreglass decks and cabin SS30's in the Sydney area. These have a different cabin and cockpit to the other production SS30's as well.

lydia
714 posts
12 Oct 2018 6:49AM
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There are few different ones around.
Some are the Savage grp hull with timber deck and there is at least one earlier timber hull model (Not 2096) which had a savage grp race deck put on top.
Providence (ex 1/2 champ) has a Savage grp hull with a timber deck.
The Savage boats had a choice of two deck options, race version like original plan or the cruising deck (wedge cabin) which gave more room forward.
I would want to check that the one on Gumtree is actually Booker built or whether it is a Savage hull with a booker deck.

Wander66
QLD, 186 posts
12 Oct 2018 10:02AM
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I seriously considered buying this one in Roslyn Bay in 2015, it was in good condition and okay price but decided it was a bit small for family cruising.




lydia
714 posts
12 Oct 2018 9:24AM
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Good picture showing the difference in the Stern sections of the Savage boats

lydia
714 posts
12 Oct 2018 9:26AM
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Stern section is much fuller

Chris 249
NSW, 1647 posts
12 Oct 2018 1:09PM
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lydia said..
There are few different ones around.
Some are the Savage grp hull with timber deck and there is at least one earlier timber hull model (Not 2096) which had a savage grp race deck put on top.
Providence (ex 1/2 champ) has a Savage grp hull with a timber deck.
The Savage boats had a choice of two deck options, race version like original plan or the cruising deck (wedge cabin) which gave more room forward.
I would want to check that the one on Gumtree is actually Booker built or whether it is a Savage hull with a booker deck.


Providence's cabin looks like the standard racing one - did they build it in wood to keep it lighter?

SandS
VIC, 5369 posts
12 Oct 2018 5:51PM
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some were built in coffs harbour ,later models around 98 ,vinalester resin used, slightly taller rig

lydia
714 posts
12 Oct 2018 5:03PM
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Early to mid 1990s the savage mounds ended up in Brisbane and quite a few hull and decks where sold from the place at Hemmant

dism
NSW, 636 posts
12 Oct 2018 10:21PM
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SandS said..
some were built in coffs harbour ,later models around 98 ,vinalester resin used, slightly taller rig


Where were yachts built in Coffs Harbour, which models, by who?

Ramona
NSW, 4538 posts
13 Oct 2018 8:00AM
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dism said..

SandS said..
some were built in coffs harbour ,later models around 98 ,vinalester resin used, slightly taller rig



Where were yachts built in Coffs Harbour, which models, by who?


There was one for sale a few months back on Yachthub that was built in Coffs Harbour. The interior seems to have a lot more moulded furniture and less timber trim.

SandS
VIC, 5369 posts
13 Oct 2018 8:44AM
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dism said..

SandS said..
some were built in coffs harbour ,later models around 98 ,vinalester resin used, slightly taller rig



Where were yachts built in Coffs Harbour, which models, by who?


dont know where in coffs dont know who in coffs . " the model is about 98 ish " it looks almost the same as a Savage, different windows , lighter weight build . taller rig and as ramona said less timber inside slightly more modern look .



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