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echunda
echunda
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25 Jul 2015 10:14am
I've been on and owned boats for a very long time.

Moved from windsurfing to sailing and now racing dinghy's. I also have a Gilcraft 21 (motor, not sail) that I take out on calm days.

The issue I have and always had is combating sea sickness.

It's restricted me to day trips and coastal fringes on calm days.

Any other sailors have the same affliction and what is your remedy?

Right now the only thing I take is ginger tablets and ginger beer. But what I find is in a heavy swell, it doesn't help. It's not the best skippering a dinghy in a race and hurling over the side.
theselkie
theselkie
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25 Jul 2015 11:34am
Hi Echunda

I feel your pain...or at least used to ...for a very long time.

I have been sailing since I was a child and only stopped getting seasick in 2010.

Medication didn't help. Lying flat on my back and going to sleep sometimes did. Driving and having responsibility and something to focus on did help a great deal.

However, the turning point came on the last leg home of a few months coastal cruising in 2010. We'd gone through the washing machine at Wide Bay Bar and conditions outside were reasonably uncomfortable heading south. I was pretty crook but, between my ex-husband and I, we decided that I would drive and he would take care of other things aboard, including our two daughters. I ate very little between Wide Bay Bar and Scarborough, however, consumed litres upon litres of ginger beer.

During that trip I didn't feel that much better. However, since then, I have NEVER been seasick!!! Bay sailing, deliveries along the eastern seaboard in yukky conditions, delivery from Hobart to Sydney last January....NOTHING!!!! It is a miracle!!

I don't know whether it is a coincidence or whether by imbibing huge quantities of ginger, something happens with your physiology. All I can say is, life without seasickness is bliss!!!

Good luck Echunda
Yara
Yara
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25 Jul 2015 4:11pm
echunda said..
I've been on and owned boats for a very long time.

Moved from windsurfing to sailing and now racing dinghy's. I also have a Gilcraft 21 (motor, not sail) that I take out on calm days.

The issue I have and always had is combating sea sickness.

It's restricted me to day trips and coastal fringes on calm days.

Any other sailors have the same affliction and what is your remedy?

Right now the only thing I take is ginger tablets and ginger beer. But what I find is in a heavy swell, it doesn't help. It's not the best skippering a dinghy in a race and hurling over the side.


Changing to a yacht with sails will help a lot .
MorningBird
MorningBird
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25 Jul 2015 5:07pm
I use drugs. There is a anti seasickness drug called ET's Seasickness capsules available from Bova Compounding chemists in Caringbah. It is based on Scopolamine and was developed for Andrew Ettingshausen for his fishing show, hence the name.
It works for me and everybody who I have recommended it to.
LMY
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25 Jul 2015 7:52pm
+one for drugs. I use QUELL.


Steering, or anything else that moves my concentration out of the boat and to the horizon also helps.

Find a bird to watch, another boat, the coast. Watching the waves is a big no no for me.

I am also better with a reasonably full stomach of simple food, seems wrong but it work for me.
SandS
SandS
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25 Jul 2015 8:28pm

i find being in the cockpit steering or working the sails is better than being below ........especially in a confused sea.
frant
frant
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25 Jul 2015 9:01pm
An understanding of the physiology of mal de mere goes a long way to alleviating it's unpleasant effect.
In the initial stages seasickness is entirely in your head. At later stages it can be a serious and debilitating illness but not as a result of the motion of the sea.
Nausea as a result of motion occurs because the nodule in the brain associated with balance and vision is located right next door to the food poisoning nodule. When the motion brain nodule becomes inflamed as a result of confusion between the vision sensors and the motion sensors it has the unfortunate effect of inflaming the nausea/food poisoning nodule. Our brain thinks we have food poisoning thus signals that we must discharge that poison food overboard.
Can use drugs...antihistamine motion sickness pills reduce the brain inflammation and presto no nausea, however if you are like me the side effects of the drowsiness caused by the antihistamines coupled with the caffeine in the tablets to counteract that drowsiness can lead to hallucinations and other weird and wonderful side effects. Have seen crew on offshore races having conversations with mermaids. (Lucky buggers).

An alternative management system can be employed.
1/ Comfort, must be dry and warm. Full offshore gear on early.
2/ Full stomach, plenty of dry crackers, water and easy digest energy food nibbled constantly.
3/ Stay busy/active. Steering helps everyone but novices find they can't concentrate on anything but steering and thus lose the motion/vision confusion.
4/ If off watch down below. Warm and comfortable flat on your back with eyes closed.

The above will minimise probability of seasickness (and being nervous about getting sick is a sure fire means of getting there) by minimising the inflammation of the motion nodule. Having a full stomach actually digesting food will send counter signals to the food poisoning centre saying no we are not nauseous we are digesting food so cancel the chunder signals.

Some situations you can't avoid the nausea. For me having to sit at the Nav station in a critical/ stressful situation where I have no alternative but to sit at the computer screen and concentrate on looking at that screen which is jumping around everywhere out of sync with brain. Have crackers and water on hand. If the saliva generation gets to such a state that dry crackers can't soak it up I will permit myself to throw up. Remember however that I do not have food poisoning and I can fool my brain into thinking I have chundered but still hold the content of my stomach in. Then immediately drink water and eat crackers. I do not have food poisoning so don't actually need to empty stomach.
If you do throw up try to minimise and rehydrate and eat immediately.
Seasickness becomes a serious condition when the sufferer starts to vomit bile and fails to rehydrate. That is a serious condition.and can rapidly deteriorate to critical. Force feed the sufferer water and food. Bananas are good plus water. Then water.

Make sure that everyone is warm and comfortable, has nibbles and water. If someone starts turning green and you can't stop them from feeding the fish then make sure they don't physically feed the sharks in person. A person throwing up over the side is just as likely to throw themselves overboard. Best position is kneeling in the cockpit with head over the foaming vomiting onto the side deck with somebody else "patting them on the back" but actually hanging onto the scruff of their neck.
Water and dry crackers and flat on their back in a bunk. Don't let someone throw their guts out, take off all their gear cause they are hot and continue to the bright yellow bile vomit cycle and possibly serious dehydration if they don't throw themselves overboard.
Valium is good at any time of the cycle! Preventative or recuperative.
Plus water!!!!
nswsailor
nswsailor
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25 Jul 2015 9:08pm
As one who dose not get sick I sympathize with those who do.

Knew a bloke who use to start being sick even when the motorboat was on the beach, only had to have a bit of the hull in the water to set him off
southace
southace
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25 Jul 2015 8:55pm
Two x Tic Tacks swallowed with a glass of water always works a Treat!
Jolene
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25 Jul 2015 8:21pm
I worked on off shore fishing boats in my early 20s. Never got sea sick, crew never got sea sick, never even thought of sea sickness even with a hang over. Then one day, my wife to be's cousin came for a trip with us and within an hour or so he was rotten. He got so bad I thought he was going to die so we took him home. He must have cursed me because from that day on I seem to get seedy. I think I worry so much about ending up like him that I convince myself I don't feel good. I don't throw up but I just feel like unless I eat something, I'm going to . Barley sugar lollies or a nice ham and salad roll fix it up ,,,, placebo effect I would say.
MDSXR6T
MDSXR6T
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25 Jul 2015 9:56pm
My wifes mum gets really crook (she can eat street food in any 3rd world country and is fine), my wife gets sick and if i'm out in a small tinny (FG or more than 5m im ok) i always get sick and whilst travelling around i was told to try Bonine tablets.

My wife has been out wide in 15-20knot lumpy conditions trolling for fish with pointy noses and has never even thought about it. Her mum has no issues anymore and i haven't yacked in a tinny since. They've tried the bands, tried kwells but these Bonine tablets work wonders
cisco
cisco
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26 Jul 2015 1:28am

Try Stugeron. Available through the internet.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
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26 Jul 2015 11:27am
I do not know who gets it and why but one fact is proven to me, namely, if you are busy, you have less time to be sick. Few years back we been caught in a thirty knots blow with twentyfive feet seas but my mate who is usually prostrate at three feet swells kept going just because he was very busy and constantly engaged. **** scared too.
I never been sea sick yet, but l had to put up with crews to occupy both sides of the gunwales numerous times.
Most of the big names in world sailing are sick some times, there is nothing to be ashamed of if you are.
lt is just one of those things you have to live with.
Pete Goss suggests: " Bite hard if a big lump comes up, it might be your arse."

HG02
HG02
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26 Jul 2015 11:52am
I can remember some one saying once some thing about either look at the horizon or don't look cant remember which I'm lucky so far.
even on the swing mooring until I went on deck to go home wouldn't realize how rough it was worst part was getting on the dinghy some time and surfing in
samsturdy
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26 Jul 2015 3:15pm

Yes HG I think it is looking at the horizon that helps. A writer for the Afloat magazine by the name of 'arry Driftwood lived
aboard and had intended a life of leisure at sea but suffered the mal de mer and so stayed moored. He drowned a while
ago falling overboard from his dinghy because he always stood up in it. I miss his articles, they were funny.
nswsailor
nswsailor
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26 Jul 2015 6:04pm
Arrgh.

Its not the sea bit but its bloody hell when I go ashore after a few days at sea!!!!
frant
frant
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26 Jul 2015 6:21pm
nswsailor said..
Arrgh.

Its not the sea bit but its bloody hell when I go ashore after a few days at sea!!!!


We spent about 14 days at sea when my eldest was about 3. When we returned home the first night he was swaying down the hallway crashing into the walls. Next morning he fell out of the car window and landed on his head. Went real pale and rag doll. Mrs rushed him to our GP who telephoned ahead to the ED that a serious head injury was coming in. As they were prepping this kid for an emergency craniotomy, he had absolutely no response to waking stimulus from the time he had arrived at the GP and in the ED he woke up with a projectile vomit and as only a three year old can exclaimed. " Where the **** am I and I am hungry"
There have been documented cases of people suffering seasickness symptoms for years upon return to shore.
However the most successful remedy to seasickness is to sit under a tree.
echunda
echunda
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29 Jul 2015 10:03am
Thank you for all your responses.


1. Yes I will buy a yacht once a mooring @ Mordialloc becomes available.

2. I find day into night is better. I'm shocking launching into a heavy sea pre dawn.

3. Being busy kind of works however I'm seasick more in the dinghy.

Yelling instructions while bringing up your lunch is difficult.

Funny one...

I won a race by surfing a wave and hurling at the same time. Must've been a sight on the start boat.
McNaughtical
McNaughtical
NSW
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2 Aug 2015 2:07am
Very good info Frant.
I've never been seasick but my son used to get seasick when he worked on a marina detailing boats. He would be sick on the boats in the marina.
He came with me on my trip from South West Rocks to Coffs and kept a piece of raw ginger in his mouth all the time giving it a chew from time to time. I told him to stay on deck in the fresh air till he was used to it. By the end of the 12 hour trip he could go downstairs and was ok.

He has been working on boats ever since in Cairns and now he finds it hard to get used to being on land for a few days after being at sea.
BlueMoon
BlueMoon
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2 Aug 2015 8:02am
cisco said..

Try Stugeron. Available through the internet.


If going the medication route these seem to be the best available, going by overseas internet forums. Have you tried these cisco? if you have, have you got a link to a source that you have tried, & had it actually delivered?

I usually always take something (whatever is at the chemist) as a precaution, but can sometimes be a bit hit & miss.
cheers
BlueMoon
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2 Aug 2015 8:06am
nswsailor said..
As one who dose not get sick .......


LOL, it is lovely how ones memory fades, once one gets to the beautifully calm cruising waters of the Whitsundays
cisco
cisco
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2 Aug 2015 1:04pm
BlueMoon said..

cisco said..

Try Stugeron. Available through the internet.



If going the medication route these seem to be the best available, going by overseas internet forums. Have you tried these cisco? if you have, have you got a link to a source that you have tried, & had it actually delivered?

I usually always take something (whatever is at the chemist) as a precaution, but can sometimes be a bit hit & miss.
cheers


A friend gave me half a dozen tablets for my son. I am fortunate not to be afflicted. Friend said just google them up to find them on the net.
HG02
HG02
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2 Aug 2015 4:25pm
samsturdy said..

Yes HG I think it is looking at the horizon that helps. A writer for the Afloat magazine by the name of 'arry Driftwood lived
aboard and had intended a life of leisure at sea but suffered the mal de mer and so stayed moored. He drowned a while
ago falling overboard from his dinghy because he always stood up in it. I miss his articles, they were funny.


Sam one thing I tryto do every time is put my life jacket on before I use the dinghy . I keep it in the car for when I row out to the boat
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