Show me your Flopper Stopper

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Crusoe
Crusoe
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7 Jun 2014 7:59pm
I suppose the multi-hulled crowd will be amused but for the sailors balancing a mast on one hull, flopper stoppers can make a rolly anchorage very pleasant. Yeah, I can hear the comments already "If you want the bunk to stay still, stay on land". I'll thank you now in advance for your ever so helpful advice, but if your advice doesn't work with your first mate then it won't work with mine either. But for those of you who would like to share your advice, experience and pickies, please do. I've been in anchorages (for a one night stand) where gear has come dislodged in the boat that never looks like doing so while under sail. After scratching the head for a while, it would seem the fixed type mounted on an outrigger, I've seen used by professional fisherman would have to be the bench mark (or close to it). These give resistance in both directions as well as being able to be tied for and aft to stop the current (in some anchorages) lifting the flopper stopper from its optimum position of vertical.

Now keep an open mind here. I've also heard that by placing weight up the mast you can reduce the movement. Bit like how a competition diver stops their rotation before entering the water by stretching out.
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
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7 Jun 2014 10:45pm




There ya go, one flopper stopper.
Sizes are dependent on size of boat.
SandS
SandS
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5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
7 Jun 2014 11:13pm
i am constantly amazed by the ideas that crop up on here !!!!!! what a ball biter !!!!!!
Seamonkey_H2024
Seamonkey_H2024
VIC
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VIC, 344 posts
7 Jun 2014 11:14pm
Or use your drogue. I haven't tested it, but I've heard it works.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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8 Jun 2014 12:56am
Crusoe said..
I've also heard that by placing weight up the mast you can reduce the movement.


That makes it worse.

Get rid of your roller furler system and anything else that adds weight above the deck and choose your anchorage well.

Sometimes a rolley anchorage is better than no anchorage at which times you use the devices described above.

Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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8 Jun 2014 8:37am
Flopper stoppers or other stabilizing methods do add to stress on components. The steady rolling at anchor maybe better than the added noise made by these things in the rigging.

The trawlers used to use stabilizers years ago but they are all missing now.
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
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QLD, 1197 posts
8 Jun 2014 10:13am
Thanks all for you feedback. Yeah Ramona, I'm am concerned about how much sideways stress the FT might would put on the rig and after I made up a temporary one out of a board used for going up against pylons and some diving weights, I had to then listen to the associated ropes take the strain with every new swell. It did help with reducing the roll, so as usual the brain says "How can we do this better" and another job was added to the wish list. I've seen a commercially available model overseas so I know I'm not the only person interested in a solution. I sleep on my side so the swell is more of a problem than it is for you lucky sailors who sleep on their stomach or snore on their backs. I've seen pictures of square ones with multiple louvers and larger ones with 2 folding plates. I've also heard of people using drogues before but thought that the delay in the drogue opening and closing might not make them very effective. Also that larger the distance between the tip and hinge of a louvered version would correspond to a delay in producing drag and the same would apply to the single board with divers weight. But with a lot of things on a boat there has to be a compromise. Size and stowage also have to be considered.

I'm always on the look out for a anchorage with no swell (like everyone else) but its amazing how the main ocean swell can wrap around an island (from both sides) and reach a supposedly sheltered bay. It must make for an amazing aerial photograph. You can't beat up the creek, but these are few and far between for a 1.8m draft and I would hate to base my cruising plan on them. (Balancing a mast on one hull is achievable but I've never had much luck balancing a hull on one keel in a shallow anchorage)

Commercial Item:
www.forespar.com/products/roll-stabilizer-flopper-stopper.shtml
www.navagear.com/2011/04/19/rocker-stoppers-an-oldie-buta-goodie/
BORNFREEE
BORNFREEE
72 posts
72 posts
8 Jun 2014 9:45am
Catamarans have their problems at anchor also
echunda
echunda
VIC
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8 Jun 2014 9:17pm
BORNFREEE said..

Catamarans have their problems at anchor also


Generally it's alcohol related
DrRog
DrRog
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
8 Jun 2014 11:55pm
I reckon those Rocker Stoppers (orange hats) are the go; I would place on both sides, off the stanchions (one if strong enough, or a bridle off two or three) so as not to stress the rig out.

Btw, someone told me of a boat builder who was installing lead in the roof of his boat as he preferred the gentler roll. I have my mast off atm and it's certainly more reactive to all the smaller waves. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to get into that ongoing pendulum roll that weight up high creates; when the waves stop, the boat stops.
HG02
HG02
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5814 posts
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9 Jun 2014 12:17am
Aussie Navy uses a system on some of there ships from memory when at full stop it seemed to extend out floats either side for stability
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
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9 Jun 2014 10:37am
Hello DeRog, I also thought the orange cones might be a way of keeping the setup nice and simple. The only drag back I could see was that the attachment rope hanging over the side of the boat may mark the side of the hull. A couple of ideas to get around this was to use multiple cones with attachment points. Maybe have only one or two cones per attachment point. At each attachment point, have a fender attached (like what you do so a dinghy can come along side) then connect the cone (or cones) to the bottom of a fender.

The reason I haven't pursued this course of action is because I can,t get my head arourd the fact that my keel must also act a like flopper stopper. These cones are going to be attracted at about the same distance from my point of rotation as my keel is and if the surface area of the keel, which is so much more, hasn't solved the problem, why would a few cones. Unless I kept adding cones until they finally did eventually subdue the motion. Having something attached to the end of the boom, which could be 3 times further from the point of rotation, would only need to be a third of the size. Plus the distance of travel of the device would also be greater and thus have more time to take effect.

It would be really great to hear from someone who has tried these cones as everything I just wrote is speculation
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