Some general advice about yacht maintenance

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EZi
EZi
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EZi EZi
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14 Dec 2015 8:47pm
Hi All,

I'm new to this forum and I'm seeking some advice in terms of maintenance cost on a 50 foot schooner we are thinking about purchasing. It has a steel hull and it is showing some signs of rust. The sails are also in need of replacing. Inside, the interior also looks like it needs some major TLC.

Although I sailed a a ot, I have never owned a boat before so I'm looking for some general guidance for the following costs:
1. get the boat out of the water for inspection.
2. a surveyor to go over the boat.
3. all new set of sails.
4. general overhaul of the exterior hull.
5. a refit inside the boat.
6. new rigging
7. other cost that may need consideration.

The boat is cheap but needs a lot of work.
Originally, we looked at better quality boats but figured if we replace everything with new, we know what we have as we are planning some blue-water trips in it.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Rene
Windjana
Windjana
WA
405 posts
WA, 405 posts
14 Dec 2015 9:16pm
I recently had my 42ft steel hull out of the water for a survey and anti foul. It cost me about $4200.

Once you find a yard that can handle the weight and length, I guess you would be paying around $6000 for slipping, anti foul, survey (the surveyors work on $ per foot).
Anodes will probably need replacing.
Sails could be anywhere around $20k - $30k mark.
Engine, electronics, power supplies etc etc.
Depending on if you are doing the work yourself - timeframe - standard you expect at the end etc etc you may be looking around $60k - probably more.

Too much is unknown about your prospective purchase - but I would do some serious homework before committing to anything.
If you think you want to investigate further (without committing at this stage), get it on the slip and have a survey done. A steel hull needs a thorough going over.

If you want to go sailing rather than spending your precious time (which will seem never ending sometimes) working on the boat, I would suggest you look at buying a yacht that has had all the work done. There's plenty of good quality yachts for sale on the web that just won't sell because there is an over supply of them. Look hard enough, be patient and you will find a good buy.

Good luck!

cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Dec 2015 12:17am
EZi said..
Hi All,

I'm new to this forum and I'm seeking some advice in terms of maintenance cost on a 50 foot schooner we are thinking about purchasing. It has a steel hull and it is showing some signs of rust. The sails are also in need of replacing. Inside, the interior also looks like it needs some major TLC.



Any advice will be appreciated.

Rene


The last three sentences in your first paragraph say:- DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!

If a steel yacht has "signs of rust", It is on the way out. Steel yachts can be great but you have to be on top of the rust ALL THE TIME!!!!

Concrete yachts are the same.

Questions:-

1. What sailing experience do you have??

2. What kind of sailing do you want to do??

3. Why do you want a "50 foot schooner"??

4. How many people do you think will trust you enough to go sailing with you??
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Dec 2015 12:49am
EZi said..


Although I sailed a a ot, I have never owned a boat before so I'm looking for some general guidance for the following costs:
1. get the boat out of the water for inspection.
2. a surveyor to go over the boat.
3. all new set of sails.
4. general overhaul of the exterior hull.
5. a refit inside the boat.
6. new rigging
7. other cost that may need consideration.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Rene


In this part of your question I can see from 1 to 7 being an exponential increase of expenditure.

For a "50 foot schooner" assuming we are going to get it right so that no lives are endangered, the yacht is capable of being taken to and presented for sale in any port in the world and achieve a sale, I am thinking the expenditure could amount to the best part of $1,000,000.

Another assumption here is that the yacht's design has a heritage. If it is a Roberts, Boden, Boro, Colvin, Hartley design, forget about it. People want sexy designs from the French, Germans, Dutch or Italins these days.

Back to you.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
15 Dec 2015 4:54am
We should start new topic " How cheap boats end up, or perhaps how much they cost "
I love boats needs TLC, but in most cases we talking complete overhaul .
Just put you in perspective , my boat Aquarius 23, lost mast by cyclon Marcia,
plus Genoa on furler , current insurance bill is $21k.
Still lots of TLC left, just happens to forget include the other damages
( trailer , main sail cover, ruder etc.) .
How TLC more likely complete overhaul stacks up in current market.


Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
15 Dec 2015 8:33am
Scrap steel is about $80 a ton.
EZi
EZi
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EZi EZi
4 posts
15 Dec 2015 7:20am
Thanks All for your frank and helpful comments...
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
15 Dec 2015 10:22am
My advise from my experiences,

Purchace a good sized surveyed hull,deck ,engine and rig .......then add 20k to 30k on new battery's,solar,wind generators ,winches,toilets,TVs,stereos,anchor gear,Honda 2kva,outboard and tender,bilge pumps,wiring,safety gear, a cat and then go cruising and live your dream!


Windjana
Windjana
WA
405 posts
WA, 405 posts
15 Dec 2015 8:28am
cisco said..

Have a look at this list. The search criteria is 40 to 60 foot long, $50,000 to $160,000 price and all states of Australia.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results?BoatType=Sail&HullType=Mono&Price_Min=50000&Price_Max=160000&LengthInFeet_Min=40&LengthInFeet_Max=60&SiloType_Demo-and-near-new-boats=true&SiloType_Dealer-new-boats=true&SiloType_Dealer-used-boats=true&SiloType_Private-used-boats=true&sort=Price&offset=0&SearchAction=Sort


Good one Cisco.

I started looking at yachts about 2 yrs ago and there are some STILL for sale on the link you posted! The prices have been slowly coming down on most, but some people are stubbornly hanging on for their price - probably because they don't really want to sell (as was mentioned in a post a few months back).

I agree with Southace's comments - except for the cat bit.....

Rene, there are some good buys that require further investigation if you are serious about buying a yacht. I really think you would be better off buying a well maintained completed yacht - although you may have to update some of the electronics and a few other things to get it how you want it - maybe $20k will cover it. I would think $80k - $100k will get you a bluewater capable yacht, which is what you have said you want to do. Then you can go sailing - which is what it is all about.

If you find something post it on here, there are plenty of people on this forum more experienced than myself that will most likely be happy to give their opinion on it.

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