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echunda
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7 Oct 2014 9:47pm
I hope someone can help.

I have a Gilcraft 20 on a mooring at Mordialloc and it's a great boat however the slightest ripple would make the boat rock and roll. At no stage is it unsafe however it's not comfortable and with the wife and young son in the boat, it's not fun.

Does anyone know what I can do to tame it down.

I'm handy on the tools but don't want to modify the hull design.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
bubble7777
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7 Oct 2014 9:27pm
echunda said..
I hope someone can help.

I have a Gilcraft 20 on a mooring at Mordialloc and it's a great boat however the slightest ripple would make the boat rock and roll. At no stage is it unsafe however it's not comfortable and with the wife and young son in the boat, it's not fun.

Does anyone know what I can do to tame it down.

I'm handy on the tools but don't want to modify the hull design.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.




google "flopper stopper" but its a small light boat so I think that it come part and parcel with a lot of rock and roll.

also if the tide is running different from the swell direction making you flop around then a snubber placed on the anchor rode way down the rode and then with the snubber put it on the winch and pull the boat around into the swell direction. I hope that makes sense. maybe someone with more experience might be able to explain it better than me.


but really a 20ft boat is always going to flop around in my opinion.

cisco
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7 Oct 2014 11:37pm
echunda said..

At no stage is it unsafe however it's not comfortable and with the wife and young son in the boat, it's not fun.



It is unsafe if you are up on deck taking a leak or the young fella is up there. A great risk of falling overboard and it is hazardous when cooking below.

If it is really rolls, about the best you can do is hang a bucket from the end of the boom swung out to one side.
LooseChange
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8 Oct 2014 1:49am
I'm thinking this is a power boat, not a sailer, ergo, no mast or boom.
LooseChange
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8 Oct 2014 2:19pm
The only Gilcrafts that I can ever recall seeing were all ski race boats.
echunda
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8 Oct 2014 2:24pm


Thanks for that, and Cisco our almost there. It's a cruising motor boat without the sail.
They are however the same design, just no mast or boom.


I might try the snubber to keep it into the wind. I looked into the flopper stopper but it's a little too complex.
echunda
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8 Oct 2014 2:25pm
LooseChange said..
The only Gilcrafts that I can ever recall seeing were all ski race boats.


that's Gilflight,
Crusoe
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8 Oct 2014 6:57pm
You could try emailing the guys at Burke - [email protected] and ask them if their Seabreak product will be suitable for your application. They say can it can be used as a rocker stopper by hanging it straight over the gunnel. I use one on my boat on the end of a spinnaker pole. They also recommend turing it inside out (reduce wear) when used as a rocker/flopper stopper. I put extra weight on the bottom (Burke don't recommend this) to help it sink more quickly on each stroke and also have a piece of extra rope between the top and bottom of the drogue to support the extra weight so that it doesn't deform the shape of the drogue.

Works okay for me.
MorningBird
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8 Oct 2014 8:07pm
A mate of mine had one of these without the rig. He said when he stepped aboard it heeled 30 degrees. He mentioned this when he got on my boat and it didn't move. I really think that while you might reduce the motion a bit, these boats are like the Navy's old DDGs, they roll on wet grass.
Crusoe
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8 Oct 2014 7:43pm
Yep, rocker/flopper stopper is not a good name as it's a bit misleading. The only way to really stop it rocking is put in on a trailer or hard stand. Everything else you do just reduces it but never stops. Creek/rivers are my favourite anchorages.

Good Luck.

Maybe you can find a place to buy these in Australia. ebay link below.






http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/271242591815?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107
LooseChange
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8 Oct 2014 10:38pm
echunda said..

LooseChange said..
The only Gilcrafts that I can ever recall seeing were all ski race boats.



that's Gilflight,


dammit, can't stand this getting old stuff .... it plays havoc with the memory.
Ramona
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9 Oct 2014 9:50am
Crusoe said..
Yep, rocker/flopper stopper is not a good name as it's a bit misleading. The only way to really stop it rocking is put in on a trailer or hard stand. Everything else you do just reduces it but never stops. Creek/rivers are my favourite anchorages.

Good Luck.

Maybe you can find a place to buy these in Australia. ebay link below.






http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/271242591815?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107


The motion from these might be worst than with out. Gentle roll converted to jerky.
echunda
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11 Oct 2014 2:09pm
Took her out at 4:30 am to chase lunch. we had a 1 meter confused swell and lots of boats heading out. Some turned around and headed straight back in again.

I lasted 10 minutes on anchor before my stomach gave up it's contence and we came back in. It was so rough you couldn't stand without holding onto something.


I've contacted gilcarft and waiting a reply.
Yara
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11 Oct 2014 6:55pm
Your hull shape is a classic, and not one of the really flat types that move to every ripple. However it is still relying on form stability so it does need to follow the surface of the sea. If you are finding the movement a problem try eating ginger. Otherwise buy a deep hulled heavy boat like Hg02s H28 which is solid as a rock thanks to heaps of lead in the keel.
Ramona
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11 Oct 2014 7:50pm
echunda said..
Took her out at 4:30 am to chase lunch. we had a 1 meter confused swell and lots of boats heading out. Some turned around and headed straight back in again.

I lasted 10 minutes on anchor before my stomach gave up it's contence and we came back in. It was so rough you couldn't stand without holding onto something.


I've contacted gilcarft and waiting a reply.


I realize you do not want to modify the hull but really the only solution is to add bilge keels. The navy had to do this with their target towing vessels.

www.kastenmarine.com/roll_attenuation.htm
cisco
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12 Oct 2014 3:03am
echunda said..

I've contacted gilcarft and waiting a reply.


What? Are they still in business??
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