Staysail Rigs et al

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frant
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26 Jul 2015 9:49pm
Cisco. Starting the thread on staysail/foresail rigs.






Top picture is a JibTop. A lightweight high cut clew headsail specially designed for close reaching at angles too tight for a Code 0 or assymetrical chute. The second picture is a heavy cloth staysail presently set up as a Slutter rig. Ie Tack is set at a strongpoint on deck Aft of head stay but hoisted on head stay halyard. Both sails can be flown in a cutter configuration off the wind. The staysail can fly on its own upwind in a strong breeze. It's equivalent to a #4 jib on my boat. The staysail will be fitted to a structural furler on an anti torsion line enabling the furled sail to be lowered and stored below.
Soft hanks are the same as soft shackles ie a high modulus fibre rope loop and ball or toggle that works like the old duffle coat buttons. In my case I actually hoist the #3 in the head foil but use the soft hanks to keep the sail under control when it is lowered. Have a look at all the maxi yachts. They all use hank on sails.
Similarly have a look at the Volvo 65's. They fly all their stay sails on structural furlers and can furl the sails and raise and lower the furled sails. Simplifies short handed sail control immensely.

My middle son is presently converting a milling machine to a CNC machine. When complete will be able to go into production of the furler units as per pictures of the top swivel unit.



Is your son still involved in rowing?
My niece just won a Bronze medal in the pairs in the under 23 World Championships. Adds to the Olympic Silver my nephew won in London. Looking forward to Rio.








HG02
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This guy makes a great waterproof bearing
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cisco
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27 Jul 2015 1:24pm
frant said..

Is your son still involved in rowing?
My niece just won a Bronze medal in the pairs in the under 23 World Championships. Adds to the Olympic Silver my nephew won in London. Looking forward to Rio.



He is not currently rowing and has just started university today studying psychology. Once he has settled into the routine he wants to row again. He will most likely be a coach for Nudgee College again this year.

We have been watching the rowing results and Australia has done very well. Three Nudgee Boys to keep an eye on are Jack Armitage, Harley Moore and Adam Bakker. They have been doing very well.

So your neice's name would be either Addy or Katrina. Well done for those two girls. A Bundaberg girl to watch is Jess Carty who got silver in the quad. She has only been rowing for three years.
frant
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27 Jul 2015 1:50pm
cisco said..
frant said..

Is your son still involved in rowing?
My niece just won a Bronze medal in the pairs in the under 23 World Championships. Adds to the Olympic Silver my nephew won in London. Looking forward to Rio.



He is not currently rowing and has just started university today studying psychology. Once he has settled into the routine he wants to row again. He will most likely be a coach for Nudgee College again this year.

We have been watching the rowing results and Australia has done very well. Three Nudgee Boys to keep an eye on are Jack Armitage, Harley Moore and Adam Bakker. They have been doing very well.

So your neice's name would be either Addy or Katrina. Well done for those two girls. A Bundaberg girl to watch is Jess Carty who got silver in the quad. She has only been rowing for three years.


Addy and Josh Dunkley-Smith are my niece and nephew. Addy has just commenced her honours thesis in psychology at Swinburne. Their mother also Addy represented Australia in the 470 class in Barcelona and Atlanta as well as crewing for me to win the 1974 Int Cadet Class world championships.
It would be good if you could help your son maintain an enthusiasm for sport during the distractions offered by first year uni.
frant
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27 Jul 2015 6:48pm








The bottom furler components taking shape, and a bought one.
Ramona
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27 Jul 2015 6:56pm
frant said..
http://www.colligomarine.com/products/colligo-value/softie-shackles-and-hanks

Link to soft hank/soft shackles. Easy to make yourself if you can splice braided ropes, plenty of web instruction available.


Young bloke in Sydney does them cheap enough not to bother doing them your self.

www.ebay.com.au/itm/3mm-10mm-Dyneema-Soft-Shackles-Hampidjan-Dynex75-Various-Sizes-Strengths-/252033291346?var=&hash=item3aae5ad452
frant
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27 Jul 2015 7:14pm
Ramona said..
frant said..
http://www.colligomarine.com/products/colligo-value/softie-shackles-and-hanks

Link to soft hank/soft shackles. Easy to make yourself if you can splice braided ropes, plenty of web instruction available.


Young bloke in Sydney does them cheap enough not to bother doing them your self.

www.ebay.com.au/itm/3mm-10mm-Dyneema-Soft-Shackles-Hampidjan-Dynex75-Various-Sizes-Strengths-/252033291346?var=&hash=item3aae5ad452


Thanks Ramona, that's a good link. At those prices most would be better off buying them unless you enjoy rope work. At his prices I could make tradesman rates but not Consulting Engineer rates. Very good prices indeed, unlike those from the Colligo link.
cisco
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27 Jul 2015 10:30pm
Ramona said..

frant said..
http://www.colligomarine.com/products/colligo-value/softie-shackles-and-hanks

Link to soft hank/soft shackles. Easy to make yourself if you can splice braided ropes, plenty of web instruction available.



Young bloke in Sydney does them cheap enough not to bother doing them your self.

www.ebay.com.au/itm/3mm-10mm-Dyneema-Soft-Shackles-Hampidjan-Dynex75-Various-Sizes-Strengths-/252033291346?var=&hash=item3aae5ad452


So can they be used on a s/s forestay???
frant
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27 Jul 2015 10:34pm
cisco said..
Ramona said..

frant said..
http://www.colligomarine.com/products/colligo-value/softie-shackles-and-hanks

Link to soft hank/soft shackles. Easy to make yourself if you can splice braided ropes, plenty of web instruction available.



Young bloke in Sydney does them cheap enough not to bother doing them your self.

www.ebay.com.au/itm/3mm-10mm-Dyneema-Soft-Shackles-Hampidjan-Dynex75-Various-Sizes-Strengths-/252033291346?var=&hash=item3aae5ad452


So can they be used on a s/s forestay???


I reckon you could for the interim run longer ones around the al head foil. You can fit chafe sleeves over high modulus fibre rope which would be good for a SS forestay.
frant
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28 Jul 2015 12:40pm












How frequently should you inspect and service the various elements that go to make up your rig?

Mast and rigging visual inspection from deck level? Visual inspection and services by going aloft? Drop the rig out and NDT components?

Keel bolts? Have you ever looked at them? What torque setting do you use to check tension and how frequently?

Rudder bearings and steering cables? Have you ever looked at them? Carry spares and know how to service?

The 20 metre mast in my boat is pulled every 2 years and rod rigging NDT every five.
My insurance has a fully documented maintenance schedule on all major components.
cisco
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28 Jul 2015 8:02pm
frant said..



Do your main and genoa halyards go to winches on the mast or via turning blocks back to the cockpit??








This looks like your bilge pump??



How frequently should you inspect and service the various elements that go to make up your rig?

Mast and rigging visual inspection from deck level? Visual inspection and services by going aloft? Drop the rig out and NDT components?

Keel bolts? Have you ever looked at them? What torque setting do you use to check tension and how frequently?

Rudder bearings and steering cables? Have you ever looked at them? Carry spares and know how to service?

The 20 metre mast in my boat is pulled every 2 years and rod rigging NDT every five.
My insurance has a fully documented maintenance schedule on all major components.



I have all these thing in mind but not yet documented. I must get onto that and log what maintenance work has already been done.
frant
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28 Jul 2015 9:02pm
[b]cisco said..


I have all these thing in mind but not yet documented. I must get onto that and log what maintenance work has already been done.


Cisco the irony is that if you carry out and document these maintenance procedures your insurance company will payout on your claim but you won't need to make a claim. Ah well better to waste your annual premium IMHO.

All lines lead aft to cabin top winches, have got 12 jammers up there.

The photo is the keel sump which the bilge pumps feed from. Have got an electronic "float" switch mounted on the aluminium plate so that the bilge pump can be set to auto if I leave the boat unattended. Two electric bilge pumps and two manual pumps.
Had an interesting experience with the bilge pumps which is a salutary lesson on maintenance and operation of all of your sea cocks regularly. The pump outlet is above waterline and I had never bothered to check the operation as it was always left open. However unbeknowns to me the spindle had snapped off and the ball was only fractionally open. Whenever I had tested the pumps the volume of water was only small and the pumps simply filled up the hoses and it subsequently dribbled out after I had concluded that the pumps were operating fine.
On a recent trip to Ulladulla I had a trainee female crew aboard who was privileged to be allowed to use the forward head. Unfortunately she had not locked the hatch shut after allowing herself fresh air for ablutions nor had she turned off the water pressure pumps. Shortly afterwards we were hit by a micro burst and I stopped looking at the jumbo displays when the wind hit 50 and speed 18knots. Who said Beneteaus don't plane. Got some sail down and things under control just as the wind dropped back to 15-20. My son took a look down below and reported that there was a ****load of water in the bilge. The removable shower head had swung across in the basin and opened the lever action mixer tap depositing 100 litres of drinking water plus a few splashes that had come over the bow into the bilge.
Got the fright of my life when we turned on the bilge pump and the water level simply did not go down. Love that bucket though and was mighty relieved to discover that the sea cock was the culprit.
FreeRadical
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28 Jul 2015 10:43pm
............and this one time, at band camp.........
cisco
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29 Jul 2015 1:54am

A bit like the guy who lost his kingdom because he lost his horse because his horse lost a nail from it's shoe.

One little thing leads to another and before you know it you have a disaster on your hands. If ever there was a place for detailitis it is on a yacht at sea.
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