Sunk yacht off NSW

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nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
25 Jul 2014 11:09pm
So does anybody have any information about the 50' yacht that sunk off Evans Head, Wednesday last week?

All 5 onboard were saved.
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
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cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
26 Jul 2014 2:23am
Without passing judgement and not having been there, this sounds mighty like incompetents afloat.

There is a case here in Bundy of a guy who has bought an Adams 40 motor sailer cheap and has neither the physical or mental capability to manage this yacht at sea.

He is a nice guy and all but over 70 years of age without the where with all, memory or learning capability to manage a 16 ton yacht.

I do believe recreational vessel masters certificates of competence are handed out way too freely.

As we all know there are lots of idiots on our roads but there are plenty of them on our waters too.
Donk107
Donk107
TAS
2446 posts
TAS, 2446 posts
26 Jul 2014 8:50am
cisco said..
Without passing judgement and not having been there, this sounds mighty like incompetents afloat.

There is a case here in Bundy of a guy who has bought an Adams 40 motor sailer cheap and has neither the physical or mental capability to manage this yacht at sea.

He is a nice guy and all but over 70 years of age without the where with all, memory or learning capability to manage a 16 ton yacht.

I do believe recreational vessel masters certificates of competence are handed out way too freely.

As we all know there are lots of idiots on our roads but there are plenty of them on our waters too.


Some of the blokes down here did a course a couple of weeks ago for their boat licences and it consisted of half a day of theory, and for the afternoon the instructor taught them how to launch and retrieve his boat (around a 16 foot 1/2 cab) on and off the trailer and then he showed each of them how to handle the boat, come alongside the yacht club jetty, use springs etc

I was watching them for a while and it was a lot more comprehensive than when I got my licence years ago

Regards Don
BlueMoon
BlueMoon
866 posts
866 posts
26 Jul 2014 1:26pm
According to the brief news story it happened on the 22nd of July, conditions would of been fine, wonder if they hit one of the two reefs that are about half a mile or so off Evans Head, could be a case of poor navigation???
6 on board including 2 children, you'd want to at least hope there was 1 or 2 competent persons onboard.
DrRog
DrRog
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
26 Jul 2014 9:26pm
You don't need any qualifications to skipper a sailboat in NSW; only vessels that motor faster than 10kts. So any fool can buy a 50 footer with no prior experience or training and away down you go. Quite ridiculous really.

I only did a couple of sailing courses and some sails on otheres'yachts before I bought mine. I chose not to do the boating course. Logged hours (3 trips) with an experienced skipper is also accepted as the basis for a licence in lieu of the course. So I suppose I'll have to get a licence before I sail interstate.
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
27 Jul 2014 1:08am
Reckon you are right Bluemoon and from what I remember of the TV news they were just about there!
WazzaYotty
WazzaYotty
QLD
302 posts
QLD, 302 posts
31 Jul 2014 3:18am
BlueMoon said..
According to the brief news story it happened on the 22nd of July, conditions would of been fine, wonder if they hit one of the two reefs that are about half a mile or so off Evans Head, could be a case of poor navigation???
6 on board including 2 children, you'd want to at least hope there was 1 or 2 competent persons onboard.


It may have hit Cahors ( locally pronounced "chaos") reef which is south of Snapper Headland, south of Evans Head. Nothing else in the area to hit offshore around Evans but there are reefs south towards the Clarence.
I lived in Evans Head for 17 years and lots of northbound yachts would track close in to escape the East Australian current which runs south at 1-3 knots offshore in that area. Coming in closer can give you another 1-1.5 knt boat speed which in a cruising yacht might well be 10-20% faster than going out wider.
Some yachts used to get mighty close to Cahors reef in the 80's but these days , with GPS as backup, there's no real excuse for not being aware of the danger in your route planning.
Redhill is a headland at the northern end of Chinamans Beach, well north of Cahors. Several boats have been washed up there in the last 30 years....Cahors reef has claimed a few! My recollection is that at high tide on a calm day these is no visible sign of the reef although there is visible white water with any sort of swell.
Thankfully, on this occasion all 6 crew were saved by the Evans Head Coast Guard skippered by Tony McNally, an ex-prawn trawler skipper who would know all the local currents and dangers like the back of his hand.

Here's some info on the SS Cahors which was the vessel that "discovered" the reef the hard way!

CAHORS PASSENGER SHIP 1883-1885CAHORS PASSENGER SHIP 1883-1885
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Lettens Jan14/05/2008Cahors; Passenger Ship; 1254 tons; 76.4x9.6x6.3 m.; Owned by Australasian Steam Navigation Co.; Built at John Key & Sons in 1883. Registered at Sydney. Registration no. 52/1884.

On 10 June 1885, Cahors (Capt. David Walker) was on voyage from Sydney to Brisbane with a cargo of general goods and ~200 passengers, when she was wrecked off Evans Head, Evans Reef. 1 died.ref. used Australian National Shipwrecks Database, environment.gov.au




With regard to boat licence etc I had a 48ft sloop for which all I needed was a dinghy licence! Seems wrong to me but those were the rules in Qld ( where else!!!) and my Qld licence was valid in all other states.
When I first started sailing her I was very aware that a fully laden yacht was a bit different from a 3.4m tinny so I did all my learning well away from everybody and everything. With time comes experience ( and caution) and after a couple of years I was happy to go north to the Whitsundays and south to Sydney. I also made sure that I had experienced seafarers with me....no substitute for the real deal! They taught me that charts are the first line of navigation and the GPS is a ( very good) back up.
That was good advice.


jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
31 Jul 2014 11:37am
They had radio'd for help so you would think if they had hit something they would have included that in their mayday. It could also be something simple like a hose or skin fitting let go and the boat started to take on water, once again, with them not knowing how to stop or slow the water ingress. They managed to get aboard their tender so it must have not been all to sudden, you'd think
WazzaYotty
WazzaYotty
QLD
302 posts
QLD, 302 posts
1 Aug 2014 9:40pm
I spoke to a long term local in Evans Head today who happens to be a yachtie and was a prawn boat skipper.....in that order!!
He told me that the boat apparently lost a through-hull fitting or water intake and the bilge pumps either malfunctioned or weren't up to the job.
Happened in daylight but boat went down fast....very few personal effects were saved.
No rocks, reefs or other vessels involved!
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