Sydney-Cairn Nov13 Route plan advice req (12m cat)

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WhiteCaviar
WhiteCaviar
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10 Sep 2013 8:57pm
Hi, new to the site, searching for advice/web links on route planning for a sail trip from sydney to cairns starting early nov 2013 in a 12 m cat, hoping to find a route as taken by others at same time of year to use as a guide (3 weeks set aside for the voyage)--No experience in NSW waters as yet.
QLDCruiser
QLDCruiser
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QLD, 160 posts
11 Sep 2013 11:49am
Most people are coming south at that time - lots of northerlies, plus cyclone season starting.

Rob's Passage Planner is a fantastic resource - we use it virtually every day. It has distances between virtually all anchorages on the east coast, lots of other information about marinas, VMR/Coastguard frequencies and operating times, etc. See here for more info and purchasing:
52.65.175.107/goodies/robs-passage-planner/

See here for a sampler:
skipr.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/RPP20121203.pdf

You'll also need a few of the published cruising guides. See the above sampler, page 4 under "Pilots" for a summary of what's available. I'd recommend the two by Lucas (QLD and NSW), plus Beacon to Beacon as essential for your onboard library. Plus 100 Magic Miles (Whitsundays), and Curtis Coast, for a more detailed coverage of these two areas.

cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
11 Sep 2013 10:07pm
+1 All of above.

For Brisbane to Cairns you can fairly much do it all day sailing only on an average of 50 miles per day.

Some days you will need to do 70 and others only 30.

That is why I am happy to sail no further afield than the Queensland coast.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
11 Sep 2013 11:45pm
Here is a recounting of a trip I did north some 20 odd years ago.

Back in the early '90's when I had more spare money but less sense than now, I bought a beautiful yacht out of Cairns called ENVY II for $85,000.

She was an alloy built, Doug Peterson designed, 42 ft IOR 2 tonner with a new 4 cyl Kubota 43 hp donk fitted and in survey and operating as a 2C and 1D (sail training) charter vessel.

A typical flat topper of the early '80's era, there were 13 winches on deck not including the anchor winch. Well used but used well and in fairly good nick, it was a fairly good deal even back then, so I lashed with the cash and owned her.

Being as how my home and very pregnant wife (about a month of giving birth) were both located in Bundaberg, a couple of great mates, myself and a couple of paying punters took her south visiting a few of the high light anchorages of the Qld coast on the way to Bundy.

Daughter was born and I made the wise (not) decision to do a full refit of the yacht, costing about $40k real and 18 months time and labour. Should have just fixed what needed fixing, bundled the wife and sprog on board and gone cruising.

Having "Rose Coloured Sunglasses" on, a Master Class 5 ticket in my pocket and an ultimate yacht, it was quite obvious that making a fortune while enjoying my desired lifestyle by chartering was the way to go. To all, take a word of advice, do not let anybody, including yourself, convince you that is a good idea. It is usually a sour and bittering experience that leads to impoverishment. That includes "Pirate Chartering" too.

Anyway, the refit done, the yacht ready, wife and daughter secure at home, I set off for the "Sh1t One Days" to make my fortune with 8 backpackers aboard to help pay for the passage north. That brilliant yacht could actually accommodate 12 people with 2 double berths, 2 single berths, 2 pipe berths and 1 triple berth in the foxhole. Good ole ENVY II, stand up shower and head, big fridge, great galley and plenty of bunks.

First leg of the trip was Bundaberg to Great Keppel Island which was an overnighter during which we carried the smaller flat cut tri-radial all night past Facing Island, Curtis Island and Cape Capricorn arriving fairly early in the day at Great Keppel Island. Put the punters ashore and took the zoomer (ally bottom, inflatable sides and 6 hp Johnno, a one off, built right) over to "Kindred Spirit" (real nice Adams 31) to congress with old mate John who had helped me bring ENVY II south 18 months earlier. We are still great mates today and I last congressed with him at his 75 th birthday party a month ago. He is still sailing his beloved "Kindred Spirit" and his current ride is a 1000 cc Moto Guzzi. If you happen to meet up with him and his "blonde bombshell" girlfriend Heather during your travels along the fabulous Queensland coast, your humour will be better and your life richer. He is just that kind of guy and I love him for it.

So during the day at Keppel we noticed that the Gladstone "Boating and Fishing and Marine Parks" patrol vessel was also present in the anchorage and that there appeared to be supernumeraries aboard (ie family looking people). Hmmmm. Out of their territory and apparently taking advantage of the tax payer (you and me) funded toys. Sure enough, the pricks went to every boat in the anchorage and generally harassed to justify their being there. Sad to say folks but that is where your boat registration money is going.

Second leg was from Keppel to Delcomyn Bay which is a gorgeous LITTLE spot between Port Clinton and Blue Pearl Bay. Tight anchorage and rolly in the best of times but definitely worth a visit. Fresh water creek runs down the beach.

So as any cruising sailor worth his salt would know, if he/she was in that general area and heading north, he/she cannot not visit Middle Percy Island's A-Frame for a beach BBQ. We anchored there in the dark around 20:00 hours, ate and slept. The backpacker punters, being the lazy lot they usually are did not rise until the late morning or early afternoon, at which time I ferried them ashore, admonished them not to buggerise around with what they would find and that I would be coming ashore with the tuccka a bit before dark. Being the duteous and responsible person that I am, that is what I did.

I don't think any backpackers could have gotten a better sailing adventure in Australia than that. They will be in their 40's now and I will bet they are still dining out on that experience in the UK now.

So for those that are following the story you would realise that with the number of people aboard (9), the days at sea and the distance travelled, that, a visit to a resupply port had become an imperative. Therefore I determined the next anchorage would be Mackay Harbour. Due to light winds there had been a considerable amount of motoring and motor sailing done so far so an assessment of fuel range was taken by the very complicated equation of:-

Litres left divided by litres per hour consumed multiplied by miles per hour achieved equals motoring range possible. Subtract that figure from the miles to the next destination and one can know where he/she has to sail to before starting the engine. There are no secrets on a small vessel so all aboard were apprised of the situation and that we would have to sail the boat to the best of our abilities until we reached a certain point.

This is where the story gets quite interesting. Two places at least where detailed charts are needed for safe entry to port are Mackay and Bowen. I will leave Bowen for another tale about heading south. This one is about heading north into Mackay.

We have gotten to the point of dropping the dacron and hoisting the iron due to the lack of wind and as it has gone dark, reading the lights. Remember also this is early '90's, you got GPS?, yes, your'e up to date. You got chart plotter? What you talking 'bout rich boy? Heading to Mackay we pick up lights. Big ones on big ships. Eventually get past them and we are heading in on the lead lights to Mackay Harbour (before the new small boat harbour and marina) and think we are on track. Still miles to go but we are on the lead lights aligning.

Hello!!! What is that feint light to starboard flashing 3. Oh, that is an east cardinal marker that we should keep to our port. OK so we alter course to round it on our port side despite the fact that we were heading in on the lead lights. We keep the light to port and the lead lights disappear and the sounder reading goes from 20 metres to 3 metres and my ringhole starts palpitating. Engine revs back and ready for a reversal but keep going ahead. Water gets deeper and we pick up the lead lights again. Whew!! Line up on the leads and go into the harbour. Get crewman to steer yacht in circles in harbour while I have a big dump in head. After that we secured and had a sleep.

What went wrong??

1. I did not have a detailed chart for the entry and thereby not know exactly where I was.

2. I failed to trust the lead lights.

What actually happened??

I rounded the Slade Rock light which put me in the shadow of Slade Island (at which point I lost the lead lights) and then I drove the yacht over Slade Reef between the rock and the island. Big tides in that area and a week earlier I would have been on the rocks.



WhiteCaviar
WhiteCaviar
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12 Sep 2013 10:20pm
Thanks for the tips and advice, got a few of the books mentioned, so its off to the book store to get the remainder, learning quite a bit about NSW and the more I read the further offshore I'm considering for this part of the trip to avoid storms and currents. really not interested in doing any bar crossings so I believe the NSW leg will be a few long non stop runs from easys afe anchorages to anchorage.
Ramona
Ramona
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7757 posts
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13 Sep 2013 8:34am
November on the NSW coast the current will usually be quite strong to the South from about 8 miles out and along the shelf. Sometimes it can be less out wide, 80 to 100 miles or so. Best bet is hug the shore, day sail between the stops using Robs passage planner. Only sail on the days when a 12m cat can make the next leg.

Check the forecasts carefully, all of them.
70 year old and his grandson in his 20's left Sussex inlet yesterday and wrecked a 25 foot Roberts inside Jervis Bay. They were heading for Newcastle. The forecast was for a 30 knot Southerly on all forecasts and you could see it coming!!!!!!!!!!!! At least they were not capsized by a rogue wave!
Seamonkey_H2024
Seamonkey_H2024
VIC
344 posts
VIC, 344 posts
13 Sep 2013 8:38am
You should write a book cisco, very readable
WhiteCaviar
WhiteCaviar
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4 posts
13 Sep 2013 8:52pm
Got some jitters about some of the NSW coast port entry's, will be avoiding heavy seas and wind, no hurry to get to cairns. If we don't make it in 3 weeks so be it, Have had a few recommend go realy wide and get out of the shipping channnel and currents. Would prefer to look at the coast as no plans to ever sail back that way, The step from Port Stephens to Coffs is the most concerning bit, the so called safe anchourages between these 2 user friendly spot don't appeal all that much.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Sep 2013 12:45am
The bar entries along the NSW coast north of Sydney are not for the feint hearted or inexperienced.

If you have calm weather, good sailing directions and good radio contact with the local VMR station and want to provision up, then it would be a good excercise to make an entry.

Cook sailed quite close to the coast on his way north as evidenced by his excellent mapping of it.

If the weather cuts up rough, I would be battening down the hatches and standing off the coast.

Once you reach the Gold Coast Seaway and enter, the rest of the voyage to Cairns is the stuff dreams are made of.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Sep 2013 12:51am
SirJman said..

You should write a book cisco, very readable.



Thank you! I hope you enjoyed it.

It is probably a bit too blas'e and not subjective enough to send into Cruising Helmsman.
QLDCruiser
QLDCruiser
QLD
160 posts
QLD, 160 posts
14 Sep 2013 9:22am
We did part of this trip last Christmas (Brisbane to Sydney and return), and have done the coast from Brisbane north many times (but the QLD coast always in winter). There's an account of our trip south here: http://beneteauownersqld.com/Beneteau_Owners_Group_Qld/Cruising.html

We did several overnighters when heading south, mainly to take advantage of short weather windows and to allow us to travel well offshore and ride the EAC. But when heading north from Sydney, we hugged the coast and did short hops, visiting most ports. You still get an adverse current most of the time, but inshore it was maybe 0.5 - 1.5kt, vs 3-4kt offshore. It was a really enjoyable trip both ways.

As Ramona says, the adverse current makes things difficult when you're heading north. However the coastal bars won't give you a problem provided you're sensible, ie don't attempt them in heavy weather, and do your crossings late on the incoming tide. If you can't meet these conditions for the next port on a given day, wait a day or two. Weather forecasting these days is so good that there's no excuse for being caught out by bad weather - you can plan your itinerary two or three days in advance. Lucas's NSW cruising guide has some good recommendations on strategies for coastal bars, and I'd recommend you read the chapter several times! He also discusses the EAC and the best strategies for dealing with it.

It's also worthwhile talking to the destination VMR before you depart, to get an idea of general bar conditions. Don't just ask them whether the bar is safe - for legal reasons they'll just tell you it's your responsibility yada yada. But if you couch the conversation in general terms, ie has it silted up recently, are keel yachts using it atm, has anyone had trouble recently etc, you should get some useful information.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
14 Sep 2013 11:27am
I read your account QldCruiser and it is very good. How you managed the voyage is copy book and really informative.

I have done the trip once which was a delivery of a Laurent Giles Salar 40 from Bundaberg to Sydney.

The trip from Bundaberg to Southport was very easy via the Great Sandy Straits and inside Moreton and Stradbroke Islands. We had stops at Urangan, Tin Can and Mooloolaba due to starter motor problems eventually resolved at Mooloolaba.

We bumped the bottom coming through near Jacob's Well and I must say our planning was nowhere as meticulous as yours. Our plan from the Gold Coast Seaway which we did in near perfect conditions, was to head south east onto the 100 fathom line and ride the EAC all the way down and with three of us aboard the watch keeping was relatively easy.

The boat being what it was and because of time constraints, we motored and motor sailed all the way. If we had engine failure we could have had a serious situation on our hands. Fortunately we did not and made very good progress.

About half way down we experienced a southerly blow for about a day and a bit during which the boat was dead in the water yet still making better than 3 knots over the ground.

Gold Coast departure was around 8 am and Sydney arrival was around 5 pm and I think we had 3 overnight passages.

I don't think the NSW coast north of Sydney has a lot to offer for cruising sailors and crews and yachts need a good measure of endurance for cruising that stretch of coast.
WhiteCaviar
WhiteCaviar
4 posts
4 posts
19 Dec 2013 8:41pm
Trip update, 28 days in total with a lot of motor sailing due strong northly. 5 marina stops along the way for fuel, water etc and quite a few stops here and their at the reefs and islands for a day or more to rest up and enjoy the trip. From Bunderberg nth it was day trips all the way. Easy trip for a first time 5 crew aboard the madien voyage for this cataraman. All marine rescue and coast guards are very punctual along the way, small black spot area from shoalwater bay to percy island area. Best to get from Sydney to frazer as quick as you can as we did then slow right down. Only one bar crossing this way.
Only wish was that I had more time to do it as we would loved to have stretch the trip out to months if we could hav eafforded it.
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