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This is the Ultimate Cruiser...

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Created by planesailing > 9 months ago, 7 Jun 2010
planesailing
WA, 380 posts
7 Jun 2010 4:42PM
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In my opinion anyway.....lol!


badinfluence
QLD, 538 posts
7 Jun 2010 10:03PM
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Cole 43????????????????

One going as cheap as chips at Mooloolaba.

Tell me more why she is the 'ultimate'??

Cheers

badinfluence
QLD, 538 posts
7 Jun 2010 10:04PM
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Cole 43????????????????

One going as cheap as chips at Mooloolaba.

Tell me more why she is the 'ultimate', cos I'm interested in the one at Mba??

Cheers

saltiest1
WA, 1894 posts
7 Jun 2010 8:40PM
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not a bad one. why does this one look so familiar to me? who and where??

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
7 Jun 2010 8:41PM
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Well.. its all "my opinion"
Long and narrow, so she cuts thru swells and doesnt slam off waves.
Long overhangs so the waterline increase as the heel angle increases
4 ton of lead in the keel means a stiff boat and can handle a fair breeze
before needing to reef.
Plenty of storage for 2 people for long periods.
Low freeboard, means a wet ride sometimes, but also less windage when
it really gets up.
The motor is in the middle so the weight is in the right spot and access is
really good.
I could go on all day lol.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
7 Jun 2010 10:14PM
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Cisco, 12 tons ???? NO! 7.5tons so
ratio is better than 50% and beam is 10' 6"
Hmmm compromises i havnt got any yet.
time tells all though doesnt it.
I would not have anything other than a narrow stern
I also wouldnt put a tender there anyway.
and you can board at the back using a ladder, scoop
sterns just scoop water IMO.
Shes our ultimate... Shes been "around" once.

dralyagmas
SA, 308 posts
8 Jun 2010 9:41AM
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looks real prutty

Ramona
NSW, 3818 posts
8 Jun 2010 10:49AM
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badinfluence said...

Cole 43????????????????

One going as cheap as chips at Mooloolaba.

Tell me more why she is the 'ultimate'??

Cheers


Not this one is it. One of my all time favourites.

frant
VIC, 1126 posts
8 Jun 2010 3:11PM
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Sorry but this is the ULTIMATE (coastal) cruiser



Melbourne to Mooloolaba as an overnight leg!! She's up for a trade in on a Hylas46 or Moody46 as a live aboard/blue water cruiser in the very near future.

oceans15
QLD, 35 posts
8 Jun 2010 3:53PM
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12 tons cisco ?!?!? geezus h christ! give it away big fella

oceans15
QLD, 35 posts
8 Jun 2010 3:59PM
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I agree franty - the old noelex would easily 'see off' that other tub although a '30' would be needed for low budget liveaboard - thanx 4 pics tho - good stuff - i 'lived' in hay inlet (whitehaven beach) on a trailer sailer for 5 days once upon a time - 1 of best holidays ever - no fixed keelers in there baby - they actually dont know how much they are missing but howz our care factor?

frant
VIC, 1126 posts
8 Jun 2010 5:42PM
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oceans15 said...

I agree franty - the old noelex would easily 'see off' that other tub although a '30' would be needed for low budget liveaboard - thanx 4 pics tho - good stuff - i 'lived' in hay inlet (whitehaven beach) on a trailer sailer for 5 days once upon a time - 1 of best holidays ever - no fixed keelers in there baby - they actually dont know how much they are missing but howz our care factor?


This is a Noelex 30, Just looks a bit foreshortened in the photo against the landcruiser. When you see it in real life it makes the landcruiser look like a little Suzuki hatchback

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
8 Jun 2010 4:12PM
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OCEAN15
Hmmm... what is meant by "see off that other tub" ????

Agree with Frant to some degree the Noelex is a great
boat, my last boat was a 25 and with family of 4 we spent
3 great months cruising the whitsundays. And i have some
recollection of 30's doing sydney to hobarts. So coastal cruising
is whithin their reach.

Rattlehead
QLD, 534 posts
8 Jun 2010 7:25PM
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In the 30ft mono range you can't go past a Farr b30,Had freinds who sailed one around australia ,Will just go on a trailer , If it were me and I had the funds I'd go a Farrrier 31 , Fast, comfortable and easily towed by a Patrol/Cruiser....

SandS
VIC, 4936 posts
9 Jun 2010 7:02PM
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frant said...

oceans15 said...

I agree franty - the old noelex would easily 'see off' that other tub although a '30' would be needed for low budget liveaboard - thanx 4 pics tho - good stuff - i 'lived' in hay inlet (whitehaven beach) on a trailer sailer for 5 days once upon a time - 1 of best holidays ever - no fixed keelers in there baby - they actually dont know how much they are missing but howz our care factor?


This is a Noelex 30, Just looks a bit foreshortened in the photo against the landcruiser. When you see it in real life it makes the landcruiser look like a little Suzuki hatchback



noelex 30 ....low budget ..? 80 k ?? low budget for some i guess!!!

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
10 Jun 2010 2:09PM
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Rattle, The noelex 30 is a farr 30.
do you mean binks 30? they are
also nice but a bit heavier to towI hear.

frant
VIC, 1126 posts
10 Jun 2010 4:41PM
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planesailing said...

Rattle, The noelex 30 is a farr 30.
do you mean binks 30? they are
also nice but a bit heavier to towI hear.


More or less correct. The Noelex 30 is a Bruce Farr design built in NZ by Marten Marine for Noelex yachts. When the moulds were shipped to Australia some of the Australian built boats were known as a Farr 30. The Binks boats are a Farr B30 and are quite a different design. The Noelex 30 has a bulb fin keel raised by hydraulics and draws about 1.9 metres. I think that the B30 has a ballasted centreboard and much less draught. Chalk and cheese from a performance perspective.

The Cole 43 is a good looking classic boat and should serve you well. I have owned a few boats in my time and am of the opinion that if its not "love at first sight" then you shouldn't buy her and no compromises are necessary.

oceans15
QLD, 35 posts
10 Jun 2010 6:44PM
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I can see it's a 30 franto - 25 is a bit borderline for liveaboard was my point - anything is possible I suppose...can u tell us what the displacement is?
Good on ya rattler for mentioning the all-conquering Farriers. Maybe should start a new thread about them/something decent (multihull) and/or in the sailboat hall of fame... I am not a Farr fan at all (cruising or otherwise) and can relate a story about 1 of my most memorable races : Crewing on a 31' cat on a reach we passed the leading Farr 40 OD @ 22 knots SOG and hosed the rail meat with the rooster tail from our leeward rudder! No smiles from them! They were barely doing 12 knots at the time - what a joke for an all carbon boat that costs around a million dollars...

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
10 Jun 2010 7:22PM
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Well Oceans you really are an authority on cruising, arn't you.
22 knots PHHTTTT!! I think if I was that much in a hurry i would
Buy a speed boat!!

SandS
VIC, 4936 posts
10 Jun 2010 10:38PM
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planesailing said...

Well.. its all "my opinion"
Long and narrow, so she cuts thru swells and doesnt slam off waves.
Long overhangs so the waterline increase as the heel angle increases
4 ton of lead in the keel means a stiff boat and can handle a fair breeze
before needing to reef.
Plenty of storage for 2 people for long periods.
Low freeboard, means a wet ride sometimes, but also less windage when
it really gets up.
The motor is in the middle so the weight is in the right spot and access is
really good.
I could go on all day lol.


she is a great looking yacht.I think cole designs are all pleasing to the eye!
we were keen on a eastcoast 31 at one stage, similar looking deck to her.
what is her draft?
can you single hand her?
you could tie the tender on deck anyhow.
very nice boat.
I recon if we are talking ultimate cruiser then she will go very close so far!
more room than the 30 footers for lounging about!


oceans15
QLD, 35 posts
10 Jun 2010 11:03PM
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dear planesailing - this is a forum - that was a post for interest sake based on fact - if u don't like it - move on - if u have something relevant or at least mildly interesting to say then please post it. This is the big bad world here and some people here are competant sailors with liveaboard, single handed, short handed, racing and crewing experience. If u sip champayne in a marina that's ok too but be mindful of it.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
10 Jun 2010 9:30PM
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HMMM... this thread is "ultimate cruiser" so why post
stories about racing past a racing boat in a multihull
and spraying the crew ...
Why I would move on is beyond me, if you wanna start a thread about
how much faster a multihull is than a racing mono feel free to start a thread
about it and i promise i wont even read it.
In the mean time sit back , chill out and take at look at the posts concerned.
Now thats vented,,,,,,,,
Sands, Yes i often single hand the boat. its daunting around marinas etc, because
it takes a lot of space to turn, and most marina arms seem to be suitable for 35-40
footers, but while sailing shes quite a pussycat, all the halyards and reefing is at the
mast, I have learnt to handle that o.k. but sometimes threaten to move them to the
cockpit. because of the light weight 7.5t the anchor and associated tackle is more
like that on a 38-40 footer. there is no anchor winch "yet" but my wife and i handle
the boat allright. yes offshore the tender gets tied on the deck as per the photo.
davits would be nice but not high on priorities. she draws 7 foot.

frant
VIC, 1126 posts
11 Jun 2010 7:42AM
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oceans15 said...

I can see it's a 30 franto - 25 is a bit borderline for liveaboard was my point - anything is possible I suppose...can u tell us what the displacement is?
Good on ya rattler for mentioning the all-conquering Farriers. Maybe should start a new thread about them/something decent (multihull) and/or in the sailboat hall of fame... I am not a Farr fan at all (cruising or otherwise) and can relate a story about 1 of my most memorable races : Crewing on a 31' cat on a reach we passed the leading Farr 40 OD @ 22 knots SOG and hosed the rail meat with the rooster tail from our leeward rudder! No smiles from them! They were barely doing 12 knots at the time - what a joke for an all carbon boat that costs around a million dollars...


For trailing I put the outboard motor, rudder and blade, batteries in the car and empty the tanks for weight distribution and towing weight regs. Weight comes in under 2400kg. Loaded up with all cruising gear including a quiver of windsurfers and my wifes reading material adds another 500 or so kg.

Shame you are not a Farr fan, still I am not a cat fan, Farrier or otherwise. I don't bother going out windsurfing if I can't crack 30 knots on a reach on a 1k$ board. If I am racing then everyone else is also in a Laser and there is no going past anyone at disparit speed in a boat costing more or less than mine. Horses for courses I guess!

ps are you a Czech?..... only my aunty still calls me Franty and my Czech relos call me Franto

dralyagmas
SA, 308 posts
11 Jun 2010 9:11AM
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oceans15 said...

I can see it's a 30 franto - 25 is a bit borderline for liveaboard was my point - anything is possible I suppose...can u tell us what the displacement is?
Good on ya rattler for mentioning the all-conquering Farriers. Maybe should start a new thread about them/something decent (multihull) and/or in the sailboat hall of fame... I am not a Farr fan at all (cruising or otherwise) and can relate a story about 1 of my most memorable races : Crewing on a 31' cat on a reach we passed the leading Farr 40 OD @ 22 knots SOG and hosed the rail meat with the rooster tail from our leeward rudder! No smiles from them! They were barely doing 12 knots at the time - what a joke for an all carbon boat that costs around a million dollars...


Get off it. For starters Farr 40 OD are not carbon they are foam sandwich and you can buy one secondhand in Aus for 200k (not far off a farrier 31 for that matter) or brand new for $380k USD. If you were getting that close to them that you sprayed people on the rail then you were too close and if you did it on purpose I would have rule 69ed you. If your not a Farr fan then you dont know much about boats.

Now end of hijack and get back to this lovely ultimate cruiser which looks awesome. Not sure that i would do a Hobart in a Noelex 30 though.

badinfluence
QLD, 538 posts
11 Jun 2010 5:22PM
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I'll add my 2 bobs worth here!!

PlaneSailing, your boat is a gorgeous girl, and anyone who knows anything about yachting, recognises Cole 43s as an evergreen Aussie design, updated over the years by Nantucket and, most recently, the Sunchaser. They maintain their beautiful looks but, most importantly, their impeccable seakeeping qualities remain steadfast.

Just out of curiosity, where were those photos taken?? I feel that I've seen Cadence somewhere in Moreton Bay over the years??

Not everyone on this forum is aggro, infantile and/or intent on one-upmanship or posting totally incongruent messages.

Fair winds to you all
Trace

Chris 249
ACT, 1194 posts
14 Jun 2010 10:02AM
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oceans15 said...

I agree franty - the old noelex would easily 'see off' that other tub although a '30' would be needed for low budget liveaboard - thanx 4 pics tho - good stuff - i 'lived' in hay inlet (whitehaven beach) on a trailer sailer for 5 days once upon a time - 1 of best holidays ever - no fixed keelers in there baby - they actually dont know how much they are missing but howz our care factor?


I've had a fair bit of experience on Noelex 30s (mainly the "team" ones run by the former importer) and a Cole 43 (two Hobarts, JOG racing, Coffs Harbour, etc) and I'm sure that a Noelex would rarely beat a well sailed Cole 43. Downwind in a breeze yep. Upwind in the light, maybe - if there's short tacking and/or the Noelex only has the self tacker.

The Cole is in no way a tub.

Chris 249
ACT, 1194 posts
14 Jun 2010 10:05AM
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oceans15 said...

I agree franty - the old noelex would easily 'see off' that other tub although a '30' would be needed for low budget liveaboard - thanx 4 pics tho - good stuff - i 'lived' in hay inlet (whitehaven beach) on a trailer sailer for 5 days once upon a time - 1 of best holidays ever - no fixed keelers in there baby - they actually dont know how much they are missing but howz our care factor?


I've had a fair bit of experience on Noelex 30s (mainly the "team" ones run by the former importer) and a Cole 43 (two Hobarts, JOG racing, Coffs Harbour, etc) and I'm sure that a Noelex would rarely beat a well sailed Cole 43. Downwind in a breeze yep. Upwind in the light, maybe - if there's short tacking and/or the Noelex only has the self tacker.

The Cole is in no way a tub. Nor is the Noelex. Both boats are fantastic in different ways.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
14 Jun 2010 4:37PM
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By the way where is "HAY INLET" ........

Bad influence, not sure about moreton bay... she came from adelaide.
circumnavigated world in 2006. before that was called chickadee and
possibly , thats where you saw her sometime before that.

Yes agree with your comments Chris.
Actually we were tossing around buying a N30 before we found the Cole43
as an intermediate boat before retiring and heading ...off !!! but we found the
Cole in Adelaide and decided we could go straight to our dream boat. NOW!
But i have a great respect for the N30 as a cruiser and sometime racer. They
are tough as nails and have a great interior for 2 cruising long term and 4-5
for shorter hops. I have sailed on one and loved it. (easily overpowered though)
Having a lift keel is a great asset, and around Whitsundays it would be a perfect
cruiser. we did 3 months with 2adults and 2kids in a N25 back in 2005. it was a
squeeze and could only carry enough "stuff" for about 8 days at a time. but the
boat never let us down if we were "smart" about when and where we moved.
love the forum...takes all types.... and opinions ....lol.

oceans15
QLD, 35 posts
14 Jun 2010 7:48PM
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my apologies - meant 'hill' inlet - not hay

oceans15
QLD, 35 posts
14 Jun 2010 8:08PM
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my apologies - i meant 'hill' inlet - not hay - anywayz ive had my fun - enjoy your fixed keelers 8) i always did watching them pendulum @ anchor!

smash78
VIC, 27 posts
17 Jun 2010 7:23PM
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