Van De Stadt 36

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theselkie
theselkie
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16 Nov 2018 12:01pm
Hi

Anyone with any information or experience with the VDS 36 built by Mander Marine in South Australia from 1978 to Mid '80s?

The Van De Stadt website describes it as the 'Mermaid', design number 272.

Listing for one in SA:

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-36/213373
Marekkn
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16 Nov 2018 12:47pm
Wow - it doesn't look like 1985
Concepcion
Concepcion
SA
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16 Nov 2018 2:18pm
Sorry, I haven't got specific information on Mander Marine, beyond that they built a number of VDS design boats in the 80s. I have seen the boat around, but thought it was a vds seal - similar but less beamy than the Mermaid.
www.stadtdesign.com/designs/st/seal_36/1 - but seems not.

Please interpret this as conviction bias, but there is no bad VDS design in my humble.
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
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16 Nov 2018 5:43pm
Looks like a nice buy.
Only single lower stays and a baby stay is a bit 70's racey and I'd prefer for and aft lowers.


furler looks pretty old too and if it doesn't work or reef well if might need upgrading.
Inner forestay with staysail on a furler and runners would be a good offshore addition

And +1, never heard of a bad VDS design
cisco
cisco
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16 Nov 2018 11:11pm
I 3rd ^^ VDS??
And selkie, that boat has to be a Dehler ?? or some such production VDS. At the price, few would blink and you know you could get it for less.

Fabulous yacht!!
Bundeenabuoy
Bundeenabuoy
NSW
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17 Nov 2018 7:28am
What a temptation
Please keep putting these great boats up for us to see
Ramona
Ramona
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17 Nov 2018 7:56am
There is another VDS advertised for sale built by Mander in 1978 in Kadina. I have not spent that much time in Kadina and certainly did not see any boats built there.
DAMA
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17 Nov 2018 3:56pm
Its not a van De Stadt , but nice all the same ,
Young fella needs it gone to be able to got to Maritime schooling in Tassie

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mooloolaba/sail-boats/peterson-santana-30ft/1200180705
Bundeenabuoy
Bundeenabuoy
NSW
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19 Nov 2018 6:07am
cisco said..
I 3rd ^^ VDS??
And selkie, that boat has to be a Dehler ?? or some such production VDS. At the price, few would blink and you know you could get it for less.

Fabulous yacht!!



Some advice please.
Do you think it has shore power?
Getting it to Sydney?
cisco
cisco
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19 Nov 2018 8:32am
I would say it most likely is set up for shore power.

Getting it to Sydney should be quite doable. Get it out into the East Oz current and it would just about get there on it's own.
Windjana
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19 Nov 2018 7:40am
cisco said..
I would say it most likely is set up for shore power.

Getting it to Sydney should be quite doable. Get it out into the East Oz current and it would just about get there on it's own.


The boat is in Adelaide Cisco.

I sailed Now&zen from Wirrina Cove (60kms south of Adelaide) to Batemans Bay in 9 days with a crew of 3.
Sydney another 2 or 3 depending on how quick you want to get there and weather conditions.
theselkie
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19 Nov 2018 9:50am
Doesn't the EAC run north to south Dude?
Windjana
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19 Nov 2018 8:07am
theselkie said..
Doesn't the EAC run north to south Dude?


Yes.
Ramona
Ramona
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19 Nov 2018 5:43pm
theselkie said..
Doesn't the EAC run north to south Dude?


Most of the time. None out there today.
MorningBird
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19 Nov 2018 9:32pm
Ramona said..

theselkie said..
Doesn't the EAC run north to south Dude?



Most of the time. None out there today.


Just checked the imos currents, no EAC.
Bundeenabuoy
Bundeenabuoy
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20 Nov 2018 5:31am
Thanks all.
Just considering
MorningBird
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20 Nov 2018 11:12am
MorningBird said..

Ramona said..


theselkie said..
Doesn't the EAC run north to south Dude?




Most of the time. None out there today.



Just checked the imos currents, no EAC.


oceancurrent.imos.org.au/product.php
Chris 249
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21 Nov 2018 11:33pm
Mander had earlier built the Pion 30, another Van de Stadt design. They were popular in SA and there still seem to be plenty of them around. I think he followed the 36 with the fractional one ton racer Mac 1. Infra Red, Mander's own 36 footer, was the first one I think.

I've seen only one Mander 11 up close and it looked quite nice - very much like a 1974-ish one tonner. VDS did a couple of reasonably good one tonners around that time and the 36 looks like a classic example of their very successful style of the time, but the 36 was outdated as a racer when it was launched. Still, they would still get along quite well and being less distorted and race-oriented than contemporary boats would be a good thing.
Chris 249
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21 Nov 2018 11:36pm
DAMA said..
Its not a van De Stadt , but nice all the same ,
Young fella needs it gone to be able to got to Maritime schooling in Tassie

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mooloolaba/sail-boats/peterson-santana-30ft/1200180705


He could just chuck some cash at her, sail her down and live aboard! :-) Those Santanas are nice all-rounders and would do the trip easily. I wonder if she's the old Hope and Glory - the stripes look familiar.
theselkie
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22 Nov 2018 9:03am
Chris 249 said..
Mander had earlier built the Pion 30, another Van de Stadt design. They were popular in SA and there still seem to be plenty of them around. I think he followed the 36 with the fractional one ton racer Mac 1. Infra Red, Mander's own 36 footer, was the first one I think.

I've seen only one Mander 11 up close and it looked quite nice - very much like a 1974-ish one tonner. VDS did a couple of reasonably good one tonners around that time and the 36 looks like a classic example of their very successful style of the time, but the 36 was outdated as a racer when it was launched. Still, they would still get along quite well and being less distorted and race-oriented than contemporary boats would be a good thing.



Hi Chris 249

Thanks for that info.

I found this Pion listed which bears a plaque reading "Built by the Binks yacht group". So, was Mander a part of Binks??

Pion Van De Stadt 30 for sale,
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/newport/sail-boats/pion-van-de-stadt-30-for-sale/1201441565?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_android

Price: $26,000




Chris 249
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22 Nov 2018 12:44pm
Hmmmm, interesting. Binks may have just done the mouldings (and perhaps finishing) on contract. I think Mander was a part-timer in the boating industry rather than a tradesman boatbuilder. And of course old moulds change hands and users a lot.
theselkie
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QLD
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22 Nov 2018 12:41pm
Chris 249 said..
Hmmmm, interesting. Binks may have just done the mouldings (and perhaps finishing) on contract. I think Mander was a part-timer in the boating industry rather than a tradesman boatbuilder. And of course old moulds change hands and users a lot.


True.
Ramona
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22 Nov 2018 6:36pm
Pion's are too small for what you need. Cast iron keels too in the mark ones. Just buy that Sydney VDS
theselkie
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22 Nov 2018 6:35pm
Flying down on Wednesday
saintpeter
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23 Nov 2018 4:36pm
That V.D.S. is truly a beautiful yacht.

But can someone enlighten me: what is that mainsail luff element which appears to be permanently hoisted? I am not familiar with boom reefing, but I assume it is something to do with leaving the slugs/cars on the mast when main is rolled down.
theselkie
theselkie
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23 Nov 2018 8:26pm
saintpeter said..
That V.D.S. is truly a beautiful yacht.

But can someone enlighten me: what is that mainsail luff element which appears to be permanently hoisted? I am not familiar with boom reefing, but I assume it is something to do with leaving the slugs/cars on the mast when main is rolled down.


I'll let you know after Wednesday
samsturdy
samsturdy
NSW
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24 Nov 2018 10:12am
theselkie said..

saintpeter said..
That V.D.S. is truly a beautiful yacht.

But can someone enlighten me: what is that mainsail luff element which appears to be permanently hoisted? I am not familiar with boom reefing, but I assume it is something to do with leaving the slugs/cars on the mast when main is rolled down.



I'll let you know after Wednesday


Selkie, if you are serious about moving to Tassie remember what Donk said about having a boat with a shed. You'll probably need it.
theselkie
theselkie
QLD
555 posts
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24 Nov 2018 12:13pm
samsturdy said..

theselkie said..


saintpeter said..
That V.D.S. is truly a beautiful yacht.

But can someone enlighten me: what is that mainsail luff element which appears to be permanently hoisted? I am not familiar with boom reefing, but I assume it is something to do with leaving the slugs/cars on the mast when main is rolled down.




I'll let you know after Wednesday



Selkie, if you are serious about moving to Tassie remember what Donk said about having a boat with a shed. You'll probably need it.


Hey Sam

I'm afraid it will be the boat only.
Storage will be on board and the work bench will be the saloon table
samsturdy
samsturdy
NSW
1659 posts
NSW, 1659 posts
24 Nov 2018 1:26pm
theselkie said..

samsturdy said..


theselkie said..



saintpeter said..
That V.D.S. is truly a beautiful yacht.

But can someone enlighten me: what is that mainsail luff element which appears to be permanently hoisted? I am not familiar with boom reefing, but I assume it is something to do with leaving the slugs/cars on the mast when main is rolled down.





I'll let you know after Wednesday




Selkie, if you are serious about moving to Tassie remember what Donk said about having a boat with a shed. You'll probably need it.



Hey Sam

I'm afraid it will be the boat only.
Storage will be on board and the work bench will be the saloon table


lydia
lydia
1935 posts
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24 Nov 2018 6:51pm
Pretty sure I said that but in any case you need a shed (on the boat)
See shed on the boat!!
Perfect Tassie boat!

theselkie
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24 Nov 2018 10:49pm
Ah...you mean a pilothouse??
In my dreams Lydia
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