Waterline area fouling build up - what to spray on regularly to ward off as slipping is extended

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r13
r13
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20 Apr 2020 9:29pm
Extending slipping from 1 to 2 years and maybe more..........longest I did in prior yachts was 7 years but there was a lot of diving and scraping back then.
The normal waterline area fouling - ie waterline to (say) 75mm above it - is worst in the last metre to the stern where the typical black algae builds up underneath where no sunlight reaches. For the rest of the length it still builds up but slower, and is green.
Has anyone successfully used a hand squeeze trigger pump one litre type spray on liquid to remove this. The web throws up Starbrite and Boat Brite and numerous others - the videos mainly show small stink boats out of the water on their trailers with stuff all fouling on them rather a bit of slime which surely would come off with the garden hose and a scotchbrite scrubber.
So I haven't got cms of growth but scrubbing it with a stiff broom from the dinghy doesn't do much to it - the broom works well on the underwater hull surface sludge.
Was planning to try Exit Mould but this might not be environmentally legal.
Thanks.
Stockie
Stockie
NSW
343 posts
NSW, 343 posts
20 Apr 2020 10:20pm
I'll watch this, as I have similar issues. I have used acid fibre glass cleaner, it works to a degree. But to try and keep the hull clean, I have used mould release wax, on the above water line and boot top. You can get it from fibre glass suppliers. Once on it will minimise the scum build up for a while.

cheers Richard
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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21 Apr 2020 9:00am
I use Metal Gleam from Nowra chemicals. Mixed 5:1. It's basically phosphoric acid with other stuff added. I usually just do the whole hull slopping on with a soft broom from the dinghy. Leave it for a minute or so and bucket salt water over to rinse off. I have also done the waterline area around the stern snorkeling or just treading water with a mixture of Metal Gleam floating in an icecream container and a sponge/scourer pad, splashing the water to rinse off. It's harmless to bare skin but protect your eyes hence the goggles. Caution, the stuff running down will alter the antifoul colour. A squeeze bottle might be even a better way to apply. 5 litres is about $38 and should last a few years, even if you use it regularly to descale your diesel.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
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21 Apr 2020 8:43am
Ramona said..
I use Metal Gleam from Nowra chemicals. Mixed 5:1. It's basically phosphoric acid with other stuff added.

Caution, the stuff running down will alter the antifoul colour. A squeeze bottle might be even a better way to apply. .


I used some phosphoric acid to clean some rust stains of the side of the hull, it worked great but it attacked and discoloured the copper in the anti foul at the waterline. I doubt I will ever do that again and If I do, I will be alot more careful next time not to destroy the antifoul at the waterline.
r13
r13
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r13 r13
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21 Apr 2020 4:37pm
Thanks Ramona will give that some consideration.
aus005
aus005
TAS
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22 Apr 2020 1:45pm
Try oxalic acid it is available from bunnings as a powder (diggers) or timber deck clean has it in it .
It is a natural acid removes rust stains etc on most surfaces i use it for upper surfaces on my boat but not suitable for metal
dralyagmas
dralyagmas
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23 Apr 2020 12:35pm
I suggest you all check with your local regulations. In South Australia doing anything like this is prohibited under the Environment Protection (Water Quality) Policy. This is from the potential non target impact, however the much bigger issue is ignoring the fact that antifoulant coatings have limitations in terms of lifespan. Trying to extend their lifespan comes with many significant risks. Marine invasive species are moved through coastal areas by recreational boats, including yachts. Trying to extend the life of your antifoulant coating will increase the risk of transporting invasive species. There is evidence to suggest that recent incursion of pacific oyster mortality syndrome (POMS) into Tasmania was through a recreational boat and this has had massive financial ramifications on the industry and provided a foothold where it can then travel further including now into South Australia.

I have also personally seen the translocation of the European Fan worm into Kangaroo Island from a recreational yacht due to the poor condition of their antifoul.

These invasive species can devastate the beautiful locations we all go to with our yachts and try to catch fish from, snorkel in and enjoy. If you want to extend the life of your antifoul get in the water and do a full hull scrub regularly. Otherwise pay the money and renew your coating.
r13
r13
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23 Apr 2020 1:26pm
Ok good points obviously, totally agree, for sure oyster farmers have it tough enough without me knowingly doing the wrong thing.
Bananabender
Bananabender
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23 Apr 2020 6:05pm
I understood the poster was talking about the hull just above the antifoul and below the boot line.
I also use oxalic acid once every six months with a soft haired broom and just fresh water broom monthly
r13
r13
NSW
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r13 r13
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23 Apr 2020 7:05pm
Thanks BB.

Yes that is exactly the strip of hull I was talking about and it is the algae which is the challenge.

So again fully agree with dralyagmas but there must be an environmentally legal easy and not too expensive solution for this?

I just found Green-Genie but they seem to be in the same boat as StarBrite and BoatBrite as being just spiffing on trailerable boats out of the water with a bit of scum.............which would all clean off with a bucket of water and a bit of old towel and elbow grease............

www.auroramarine.com.au/store/green-genie.html

They have Qld and Tas dealers and one in NSW - in Young...............obviously nothing against Young, great cherries and annual basketball comp..........

www.auroramarine.com/main/cds/dealers/?StateProvince=&Country=Australia

They seem to have more products than 5 sticks can be poked at............maybe I just need to stiff bristle broom this area more often say once a month, like I should do the rest of the hull and rudder...................

aus005
aus005
TAS
514 posts
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24 Apr 2020 11:24am
Oxalic Acid pretty safe for the enviroment in my opinion
archive.epa.gov/pesticides/reregistration/web/pdf/4070fact.pdf
Environmental Assessment Environmental Fate EPA relied on data available in the scientific literature to assess the environmental fate and transport of oxalic acid used as a pesticide. Oxalic acid occurs widely in nature--it is present in the tissues of many plants and algae, serving both to excrete and store calcium. In water, its negative ion forms complexes with a number of metal ions; and oxalic acid is immobilized as a result of this formation of complexes. Both aerobic and anaerobic conditions biodegrade oxalic acid in less than one day
dralyagmas
dralyagmas
SA
380 posts
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24 Apr 2020 5:54pm
aus005 said..
Oxalic Acid pretty safe for the enviroment in my opinion
archive.epa.gov/pesticides/reregistration/web/pdf/4070fact.pdf
Environmental Assessment Environmental Fate EPA relied on data available in the scientific literature to assess the environmental fate and transport of oxalic acid used as a pesticide. Oxalic acid occurs widely in nature--it is present in the tissues of many plants and algae, serving both to excrete and store calcium. In water, its negative ion forms complexes with a number of metal ions; and oxalic acid is immobilized as a result of this formation of complexes. Both aerobic and anaerobic conditions biodegrade oxalic acid in less than one day


Yeah I would agree, however its about the amount that is used and the frequency. If done reasonably and sparingly I dont see a major issue compared to the copper that is leaching out of the antifoul anyway.
r13
r13
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24 Apr 2020 9:13pm
Thanks all I will explore oxalic acid obviously reasonably and sparingly.
warwickl
warwickl
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25 Apr 2020 8:41am
r13 said..
Thanks all I will explore oxalic acid obviously reasonably and sparingly.


I need to frequently clean my water line and have used Hull clean.
By chance when the thick black fouling got ahead of me I used the plastic blade of my rubber ducky oar. This worked much faster and easier so now made up a plastic scraper.
To finish off just a quick spray of Hull clean and rinse.
Also less impact on the environment and fish love the burley.
r13
r13
NSW
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r13 r13
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7 Jun 2020 3:38pm
Just found this for $15 at the big green shed so will give it a go and report back. It has excellent reviews. If it works will get the refill. Made in Canada..........

www.bunnings.com.au/concrobium-946ml-mould-cleaner_p4460772

www.bunnings.com.au/concrobium-3-78l-mould-cleaner-refill-jug_p4460773

www.concrobium.com/en-au/products/mould-control-spray/
lydia
lydia
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1947 posts
7 Jun 2020 2:13pm
You could raise the boot top 100 mm
Jolene
Jolene
WA
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7 Jun 2020 6:37pm
r13 said..
Just found this for $15 at the big green shed so will give it a go and report back. It has excellent reviews. If it works will get the refill. Made in Canada..........

www.bunnings.com.au/concrobium-946ml-mould-cleaner_p4460772

www.bunnings.com.au/concrobium-3-78l-mould-cleaner-refill-jug_p4460773

www.concrobium.com/en-au/products/mould-control-spray/



I sprayed it on my roll-up dingy to stop mould and it worked great,,, so I then sprayed it over the underside s of the V berth mattresses and it seems to be doing its job.
So I went back and bought their other product to remove moulds stains.
I was pretty impressed with way the preventer worked on the dingy though.
r13
r13
NSW
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r13 r13
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8 Jun 2020 12:02pm
Ok good one thanks will get some of that stain eraser if needed. Will keep boot top raise in mind if needed.
Strachan
Strachan
ACT
47 posts
ACT, 47 posts
9 Jun 2020 4:40pm
The other solution suggested to me (instead of raising the boot line) was to use white antifoul on the original white gel coat strip between the (black) antifoul (up to the waterline) and the normal painted red boot line. Thus I've now got Pettit Vivid White (an antifoul) between the (black) waterline and the normal red boot line. More labour, but it works well without changing the apparent length/freeboard of the boat. You still have to rub the slime off (gently so as not to remove too much white antifoul) after a few months, but that's easy.
r13
r13
NSW
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r13 r13
NSW, 1726 posts
10 Jun 2020 6:11pm
Good tip, many thanks.
boty
boty
QLD
685 posts
QLD, 685 posts
11 Jun 2020 8:58am
we use international tri lux as it is an aloy antifoul no copper so stays white
r13
r13
NSW
1726 posts
r13 r13
NSW, 1726 posts
11 Jun 2020 4:39pm
r13 said..
Just found this for $15 at the big green shed so will give it a go and report back. It has excellent reviews. If it works will get the refill. Made in Canada..........

www.bunnings.com.au/concrobium-946ml-mould-cleaner_p4460772

www.bunnings.com.au/concrobium-3-78l-mould-cleaner-refill-jug_p4460773

www.concrobium.com/en-au/products/mould-control-spray/


Just to confirm this stuff works as expected / hoped. Don't need the refill.
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