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keensailor
keensailor
NSW
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8 Dec 2015 3:24pm
hi
this is the salt water through hole fitting for the engine cooling water. I have noticed for some time that the timber block used seems to be disintegrating slowly. Whats the best way to clean this up and treat it.
Thanks in advance!




HG02
HG02
VIC
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8 Dec 2015 5:05pm
take the boat out of the water remove the hull fitting and grind the wooden plate off the hull and replace the wood plate and epoxy back to the hull .
My personal choice is True Design hull fitting and sea cocks there a composite material and are Loyds approved made in New Zealand
They can be purchased at road tech marine at a reasonable cost

www.trudesign.nz/marine/products

www.roadtechmarine.com.au/
keensailor
keensailor
NSW
702 posts
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8 Dec 2015 8:54pm
HG02 said..
take the boat out of the water remove the hull fitting and grind the wooden plate off the hull and replace the wood plate and epoxy back to the hull .
My personal choice is True Design hull fitting and sea cocks there a composite material and are Loyds approved made in New Zealand
They can be purchased at road tech marine at a reasonable cost

www.trudesign.nz/marine/products

www.roadtechmarine.com.au/


do you think it is too far gone to treat as is ?
HG02
HG02
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8 Dec 2015 10:06pm
keensailor said..

HG02 said..
take the boat out of the water remove the hull fitting and grind the wooden plate off the hull and replace the wood plate and epoxy back to the hull .
My personal choice is True Design hull fitting and sea cocks there a composite material and are Loyds approved made in New Zealand
They can be purchased at road tech marine at a reasonable cost

www.trudesign.nz/marine/products

www.roadtechmarine.com.au/



do you think it is too far gone to treat as is ?

question is how long has the through hull been there.
If there's moisture on that wooden pad where is it coming from?Seeping through the hull through fitting or dripping from the ball valve.
You could remove the hull through and sand the pad back if its in good order and either glass it or epoxy it add some cloth over the top
Perhaps it was never epoxied or glass internal and sea water may be seeping into the wood via the sides of the hull through .

SandS
SandS
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8 Dec 2015 10:29pm

does there even need to be a wooden block there ??
HG02
HG02
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8 Dec 2015 10:41pm
SandS said..

does there even need to be a wooden block there ??


www.trudesign.nz/marine/products/70-load-bearing-collars

Ive been thinking of getting some of these collars
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
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9 Dec 2015 7:11am
HG02 said..

SandS said..

does there even need to be a wooden block there ??



www.trudesign.nz/marine/products/70-load-bearing-collars

Ive been thinking of getting some of these collars


I have half a dozen large commercial plastic chopping boards that would be ideal for this job. I have been using them for all sorts of stuff.
BlueMoon
BlueMoon
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9 Dec 2015 7:09am
I guess the block is there to strengthen it, if ever it receives a knock the block would absorb some of the impact so it wouldn't twist & damage the hull.

I did read on cruisers forum years ago, the cut up plastic cutting board as backing plats wasn't a good idea, as once they start bending/warping, nothing can stop it & it damages the hull, someone at that site did some experiments on it, from memory.... marine ply was the preferred material.
keensailor
keensailor
NSW
702 posts
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9 Dec 2015 10:14am
HG02 said..

SandS said..

does there even need to be a wooden block there ??



www.trudesign.nz/marine/products/70-load-bearing-collars

Ive been thinking of getting some of these collars


they look nice, question is do you still use a sealant/epoxy to stop leaks around collar or does that clear washer at top do that?
Ramona
Ramona
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9 Dec 2015 7:08pm
How is chopping board set in mastic any different to plywood? Disregarding rot of course.
SandS
SandS
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9 Dec 2015 8:06pm

i might be missing something here but , why does it need a chopping board , bit of ply or any thing other than a good skin fitting anyhow ?

is this what new "thin" f/g boats need ? the older f/g boats are 10mm or more thick , direct seal /conntact to hull no problem ?????
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
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9 Dec 2015 7:28pm
I have chopping board on a few places, boart ladder, outboard holder.
I would not use it anywhere under water line.
I did similar repair, use solid piece SS plate on thick layer of silicon.
Anything under water line must be solid, Not even sure about ply.
BlueMoon
BlueMoon
866 posts
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9 Dec 2015 6:59pm
Ramona said..
How is chopping board set in mastic any different to plywood? Disregarding rot of course.


Results of a search...., I don't think this is the actual info I read about the issue years ago, but it does give a few reasons why not to use it, & I think this fella MaineSail was the person that did some experiments.
www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/73484-cutting-board-backing-plate-material-2.html
Jolene
Jolene
WA
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9 Dec 2015 7:27pm
If it needs to be glued in place cutting boards made of hdpe would be hard to stick. It has a silky smooth waxy texture that resists mechanical adhesion.

SandS said..

i might be missing something here but , why does it need a chopping board , bit of ply or any thing other than a good skin fitting anyhow ?

is this what new "thin" f/g boats need ? the older f/g boats are 10mm or more thick , direct seal /conntact to hull no problem ?????



It may need some reinforcement behind the skin fitting, yes because the fiber glass layup might be thin, and when you have your stilsons and 4ft of 2" pipe extension, and your trying to close the tap, you don't tear it right out of the hull . Most fittings that need support just have a piece of ply or hardwood glassed in place.
Ramona
Ramona
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10 Dec 2015 8:35am
You need some thickness there to gain mechanical strength. Wooden boats would have a pad so the depth of thread is about 50mm. If you have just the fibreglass hull it might only be about 10mm and would possibly flex if you bump the fitting on the inside. The chopping board I have is 22mm thick and I use it under the mast on my dinghy and making other fittings for my boat and race car. Sealing would be the same as the commercially available plastic collars keensailor has linked to.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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10 Dec 2015 8:43am
In keensailors case I would chisel out the soft stuff and replace it with "Fibremax", the version with the SS powder not fibreglass particles. Smooth it out to the original shape. Don't do the lot in one go obviously, just work your way around over a period of a few days. When it comes time to replace the fitting you will have some fun but it will give you some piece of mind in the meantime.
keensailor
keensailor
NSW
702 posts
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10 Dec 2015 2:00pm
Could this be "dry rot", I'm no expert.
The thought that it could be caused by moisture leaking in from the fitting is scary. The more closely I look at the photo the more I think this is the case hence the brass through hull fitting corrosion.
Trek
Trek
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1215 posts
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10 Dec 2015 2:21pm


I had this problem with 5 sea cocks on Trek when I bought it so slipped the boat to fix. (Mean time put an SMS alarm in the bilge so if it started sinking I would know, including when I was sleeping on board!!).

On the slip when I applied a bit of gentle pressure to twist off the PVC hose attached to the first one the sea cock broke off where the timber is. The other four similar.

My 2$ would be with HG, slip the boat and fix big time.
Karsten
Karsten
NSW
331 posts
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10 Dec 2015 4:11pm
Ramona said..
In keensailors case I would chisel out the soft stuff and replace it with "Fibremax", the version with the SS powder not fibreglass particles.


Ramona, is this "Fibremax" you mention a product by Unifrax - my web search turns up lots of dietary and comms cable products but no putty?
Who makes it and who sells it?
Thanks
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