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SandS
SandS
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7 Oct 2011 8:59pm
after reading the thread about the television.

I thought the batteries side of things was interesting .

What are your experiences and thoughts on the best sort of batts to to use for cranking and house batts , sealed or unsealed how to charge safely etc?

trickle charge with 4 or 5 watt solar panel unregulated [ this what is happening with my two unsealed batts at the moment ] ?

or big panels with regulators ?

best brands ?
LexA
LexA
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7 Oct 2011 8:25pm
The way to go is to get Cat batteries from Hastings Deering. 100 amp batteries are just $ 160 bucks and they have a 6 year warranty, they are maintenance free and do the job well. I use 5 of them to give me a total of 500 amp hours coupled with 390 watts of solar panels and a 40 amp regulator I have plenty of power to run my 80 lt fridge freezer, lights, TV, Computer etc ... I have a separate 120 amp engine start battery. I live aboard with my partner and am looking at also getting a wind generator ... I also have a 1000 watt honda generator should I need it.

Hope this helps gain sone perspective.

Lex
SandS
SandS
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7 Oct 2011 10:29pm
Hey LexA sounds very civilised , fridge mmmm luxxxery .

what are those batts ? are they cat as in caterpillar earth moving truck type batts?
LexA
LexA
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7 Oct 2011 10:27pm
Yep they are caterpillar batteries available from any Hastings Deering dealership... they do both deep cycle and have CCA rating. They are a good product and lots of yachts here use them.

As to discharging and recharging your batteries...correct me if i am wrong but deep cycle batteries are designed to discharge most of their stored power and then be recharged many times during their designed life.

I have been using deep cycle batteries for many years and have totally flattened them many times an they have recharged without any ill effect....

Now if you were to use regularly batteries or even heavy duty cranking batteries you would stuff them in a short time using them in deep cycle applications... after all thats why they make a variety of different batteries... to me its simple common sense.
SandS
SandS
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8 Oct 2011 12:47am
Yep they are caterpillar batteries available from any Hastings Deering dealership... they do both deep cycle and have CCA rating.

thanks LexA , so they are like a deep cycle batt with cranking abillity also , multi purpose .

are they a sealed unit ?
Agent000
Agent000
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8 Oct 2011 12:01am
hey LexA seems like you are on the ball so I don't want to tell you how to suck eggs but

I asked a lot of questions when battery shopping as I hate spending money. it was explained to me that even deep cycle batteries will have a shorter life if they are fully discharged. ie you will extract more amps from them over the life of the battery if you charge them before they are 50% drained (for details of why this is so I defer to the google god to do a much beter job than me spesialy after a couple

oh and cheers for the cat battery tip that sounds like a winner


just read the TV thread and thought I better update, I am not suggesting that discharging deep cycle batteries will kill them instantly I have done it many times to amalgamated glass matt and traditional batts just because it was convenient

all I am saying is they will die a bit earlier than if you love them and charge before 50% and use a 3 stage charger that conditions and has lots of coloured LED lights (if it goes "bing" I am sure it would help too)
LexA
LexA
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8 Oct 2011 3:09am
@ Agent000 ... I generally have a maintenance plan for my yacht which covers all the boat systems as to what gets checked, serviced or replaced when etc ... as a part of this I replace my batteries every 5 years. I don't like equipment failure so am pretty proactive with maintenance. Rather than wait for a battery to fail for whatever reason I kick them to the curb. Yes some of the batteries I get rid of have some life left in them but I donate them to other local yachts who are struggling a bit ... we all know someone who is doing it hard after all and I like to help out a bit when I can.

I run a 500 amp bank split into 2, (one 200 amp and one 300 amp plus a 120 amp hour/1000CCA start battery), so if something goes wrong with one bank I still have the other happening and I can switch in either bank to assist with engine starting. My anchor winch draws power of my start battery, sure it takes a bit more to set up the system but its versatile and gives me viable backup ... guess I am a bit of a belt and braces man as I also have a boost charge/jump start pack on board.

Charriot
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8 Oct 2011 7:56pm
Lex We talking about mobil power station. Your set up is probably too perfect.
There is lot of myth and ideas how to handle led-acid bat. I wired many boats.
Does not matter you need 2A for TV or 100A for anchor winch.

There are few basic rulers. 100% capacity is between from 10.6V to 12.6V measurable always under load /at least 1A/. Never discharge under 11V under load, measure with digital panel VoltMeter, instal Cut Off switch or buzzer.
Bat. plates bacome chem. covered and it is un-reversable.
Rule2 Never leave bat. connected paraller / unless under load/, chem. reaction
within the bat. is not identical and they discharging each other.
How you handle this, could be primitive as a switch and selenoid or fully automatic.

Good point You not on the boat, you have 2 or xx bat. and 1 solar to charge them all. We sad they all must be disconected. Easy. Conect them through shottky diodes, they all be charge and balance to individual capacity. Forget expensive boxes, they fail sooner or later, this is hard wired, no need to ever touch it.
Shottky diodes are cheap and voltage drop is only 0.3 volts. /watch current rating only i case of big solar/.
lorri
lorri
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8 Oct 2011 10:27pm
Hi Lexa, can you give the model number for those batteries please, need to pick up a couple. Thanks lorri
LexA
LexA
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8 Oct 2011 10:50pm
Caterpillar Maintenance Free Battery Model Number 175-4390. Hastings Deering in Cairns is where I bought them.

I live on my boat and have 2 separate battery banks, a 2 x 100 AH = 200 AH and a 3 x 100AH = 300 AH and run a separate start battery. I have 2 x 80 watt solar panels and 1 x 110 watt solar panel, I am going to add 1 x 120 watt solar panel soon. I run a 40 amp regulator and a manual switching system. My batteries regularly charge up to 13.8 volts and my inverter usually complains when the voltage drops below 11 volts. I run 1 x 600 watt pure sine inverter and 1 x 900 watt pure sine inverter as well as my 12 volt stuff. I reckon I will need additional charging when the wet season comes ... all that rain and cloudy days ... thats why I also have a CTEK MXS 12 volt/25 Amp battery charger and a Honda 1000 watt Generator ... I want to add a wind generator sometime in the near future. Just because I live on the water doesn't mean I need to forgo my creature comforts but for the moment my power needs seem to be in balance with my generating capacity.

lorri
lorri
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9 Oct 2011 12:07am
Thanks Lexa, we are down Brisbane way, think there is one at richlands will give them a call. Your setup sounds good, Lorri
LexA
LexA
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8 Oct 2011 11:24pm
I really think ultimately we each need to work out our power needs and then try to match our power generation to suit.

Advice on this forum as with any other or advice from other sailors at the bar etc is always subjective based on what they have experienced personally or what they heard from someone else. Ask 5 people for their opinions and you get 8 answers.

A mate of mine here in Port Douglas swears by heavy duty car batteries he buys from a local battery place for 98 bucks each, he gets 3 years out of them and then throws them away and is happy with his system...

I set my system up with the help of a marine engineer who happens to be a close friend and I trust his advice, so far so good ...
Agent000
Agent000
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161 posts
8 Oct 2011 11:40pm
LexA your batt set up sounds sweet! is it wrong to have battery envy
Charriot
Charriot
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9 Oct 2011 1:56pm
I am in shock, mis-infomation, salesman tricks. where are facks?
We all wont deep cycle batt. why?, bacause we just know, do we?

Can I ask why you like them ? Yes I like them too!!!! Maybe not soo much!!!

<DEEP CYCLE BATT>

Weigt to capacity ratio is better - it is not
They are lighter - they are not
They hold more capacity - not at all
You can discharge them deeper - no way
You can discharge them faster - no way
You can charge them faster - no way
Than they must be cheaper - you dreaming
They last a decade - you wish
Value for $ ?

YES we still like them! PLEASE EXPLAIN ? only plain english please!

Lexa by the way why you use deep C B,
if discharge cut off is 11 Volts and charge limit is 13.8Volts?
Sorry not saying it is wrong, just the way you use them they are not utilized.
My guess is normal batt. work well, and you save $.





LexA
LexA
QLD
54 posts
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9 Oct 2011 5:54pm
Batteries are a personal choice and each person has to decide on their own requirements and usage needs.

Deep cycle batteries are designed for boating and caravan use where steady power is required over a long period of time.

Cranking batteries have to produce large amounts of amps over a short time, like starting your motor...

Manufacturers make batteries to suit a variety of needs and its up to you to decide what works for you.

Heavier, lighter, charge faster or longer, cheaper or more costly ..isnt a consideration ... we buy batteries according to our power consumption needs.

I buy Cat 100 amp hour batteries for my boats domestic use because they perform well, they last for 5 or 6 years and are pretty cost effective.

I charge up to about 14 volts, although 13.8 is what i usually get from my current solar set up. My inverter complains at 11 volts as thats what its set to do. I still have lights etc under 11 volts but its not optimum voltage for my inverter.

My batteries allow me to do what I want how I want and they perform up to my expectations at a price I am wiling to pay ... so for me ... they are perfect ...

I have lived on yachts on and off for over 20 years and know what I need for me to live the way I wish to live ... your needs may be totally different to mine ... thats life ...
Ramona
Ramona
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10 Oct 2011 8:34am
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