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K Dog
K Dog
VIC
1847 posts
VIC, 1847 posts
21 Oct 2009 2:37pm
I am interested in getting a trailer sailer early next year, but am thinking of getting a new (secondhand) car....

Any thoughts on what can pull what?

I know its an open question as to what kind of boat... but am thinking 16 to 20 foot tops..... so general question and general answers most appreciated, thank you.
sleek1
sleek1
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
21 Oct 2009 7:19pm
falcon or holden could tow a 20ft trailer sailer.There is a goodwebsite trailersailer.com.au or tscom.org that are worth searching on.
nate83
nate83
WA
63 posts
WA, 63 posts
21 Oct 2009 6:50pm
K Dog, i can trailer my 20ft red witch with a clapped out old volvo with now a worry in the world, and the witch has a massive heavy fixed keel, like sleek said any holden commodore of ford falcon would tow a trailer sailer trailer no worries.

By the way my Red Witch is for sale if your keen. see the for sale section, its real cheap and i have just spent a fair bit of money on it too.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
22 Oct 2009 1:29am
K Dog said...

I am interested in getting a trailer sailer early next year, but am thinking of getting a new (secondhand) car....
Any thoughts on what can pull what?
I know its an open question as to what kind of boat... but am thinking 16 to 20 foot tops..... so general question and general answers most appreciated, thank you.


Yes it is a very open question and therefore difficult to give a definitive answer.

What will pull what?? Also ask "What will push what??" You don't want the tail wagging the dog do you??

If the towing vehicle is heavier than the towed vehicle, you will be fairly safe on the road.

If the yacht is so heavy that it needs a dual axle trailer I suggest you get a 4wd to tow it. Dual axle trailers are a bitch to back as you have to shove tyres sideways to turn the trailer.

Generally trailers for yachts are a pain because it will probably need to have operating brakes to get a roadworthy and there is the constant rust problem.

I had a 1983 Falcon 4 speed behind which I towed a Windrush Wildfire 23 ft mono hull yacht. The trailer was single axle and with yacht weighed around 1250kg.

The car was never overstretched with that load and was very stable at 100kmh on the highway.

The yacht was fantastic and would stand up to the worst weather conditions. There is a guy in Perth who regularly single hands his Wildfire out to Rottnest Island of a weekend.

I had mine set up so I could raise or lower the mast on my own as well as launch and retrieve it.

When they were first released in 1980 they were decades ahead of their time.

If you can persuade some one to part with their Wildfire for $10,000 to $15,000 you will be doing well. Cheers Cisco
K Dog
K Dog
VIC
1847 posts
VIC, 1847 posts
22 Oct 2009 10:13am
Thanks heaps gentlemen for your answers.

Nate83 - I'm over in VIC, but haven't ruled out a Red Witch, heard very good things about them.
maxm
maxm
NSW
864 posts
NSW, 864 posts
22 Oct 2009 6:07pm
Hiya Dog,

I have owned both a Careel 18 and a Careel 22 over many years and miles and have never had a problem towing... but then my tow vehicle is a big 4WD so I wouldn't expect any...

Cisco is right. You need to think about the weight of the boat PLUS trailer. Main thing is do not exceed the manufacturers towing specs. Don't even come close because once you throw on outboard, fuel, water, assorted crud, etc, etc, you'll find you've added a few hundred kilos. The trailer will need brakes.

That said, I know a lot of Careel owners and they use a variety of cars from the 4WDs (like me) through the Falcodores down to one old guy who has towed his Careel 18 behind his Mitsubishi Sigma for decades without a problem (he just doesn't go fast).
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
23 Oct 2009 10:52pm
ANything turbo diesel if you want to tow. Really depends on how much mulah you want to spend but Im sure you can pick up an old Nissan Patrol for under 10k that would do the job. My 3.0 diesel hilux has no probs towing at all. Honestly you cant go past the bottom end torque of a Diesel!!!
Munter
Munter
NSW
210 posts
NSW, 210 posts
31 Oct 2009 10:50am
If you want a light boat (so that you can get away with a smaller car) then maybe consider the i550? Its a relatively new design so you won't find one second hand but the build process doesn't look to difficult and you would end up with a really fun and modern boat at the end of the process.

www.i550.org
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
9 Nov 2009 8:39pm
i towed my schooner behind a cmmodore wagon and it was a doddle, better fuel economy cos i slowed to 100.
now have a 100series Landcruiser and you forget there is a 31" boat behind you.
freind has a 3l nissan patrol to tow his caravan .POS. IMHO.
I once attached a snatch strap under my boat trailer to his rig to help him up a gravelly hill. I didnt even use low range or diff lock or power button
sleek1
sleek1
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
10 Nov 2009 10:30pm
^^^^how heavy is your 31" boat? wouldnt it fit in your boot?
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
16 Nov 2009 8:22pm
ah yes , that would be my 372" boat. oops.
weighs in at 380kg without ballast, trailer is 660kg, camping gear for seven say 400kg
SMG
SMG
QLD
208 posts
SMG SMG
QLD, 208 posts
17 Nov 2009 10:22am

Our Subaru Outback has always proven useful - depending on the model (2.5L or 3L), they have a tow capacity of up to 1800kg. Plus, the all wheel drive works a treat when trying to control a trailer at high speeds or just for extra grip on a slippery boat ramp!

And... you're not stuck with a big diesel truck to drive around town in..they're also bloody comfortable!

..my two cents..
Pinchey
Pinchey
1 posts
1 posts
26 Nov 2009 11:22am
I tow a Sonata 6 with my 1993 NC Ford Fairlane tow car no problems.

My Fairlane has the high power 6cyl motor and no self adjusting suspension though.

The Fairlanes, especially the 90's ones have a Limited Slip Differential standard, which I found better than traction control fitted to newer non-LSD sedans (like my BA XR6). I have never had traction problem, even at low tides.

Any of the Fairlanes should be ok, and I find them much better than the SWB Falcons or Commodores.

You can get V8's pretty cheap, but make sure the self leveling suspension is working properly, and a decent trans cooler and heavy duty tow bar etc are fitted (standard Fairlane bars are 1200kg).

Prices, anywhere from about $2000 to about $15000 to a BA/F Fairlane - when they were discontinued.

Anything much bigger that 21ft, while can be towed by a sedan, would probably be better following a 4WD.

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