running rigging & autopilot

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holdfastom
holdfastom
NSW
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NSW, 42 posts
9 Aug 2015 10:38am
Hi All,

Recently purchased a bounty 35 and looking to replace a few things...one of them is running rigging (except jib sheets)...can anyone recommend a ropes distributor/person?

Another thing im keen on is a wheel autopilot...i saw whitworths setup for a 7.5t yacht for just under 2k...does anyone have any experience on them?
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
9 Aug 2015 3:55pm

Welcome to the forum holdfastom. Congrats on the purchase. Bounty 35 is a great yacht.

Can you put a bit more info in your bio, as in your location for starters. No sense recommending a supplier in Melbourne if you are in Cairns.
holdfastom
holdfastom
NSW
42 posts
NSW, 42 posts
9 Aug 2015 5:53pm
Youre absolutely right :) so am in Sydney and sail out of there...intention is to probably get out of sydney in the not too distant future and see where to next :)
lloydyboy53
lloydyboy53
VIC
49 posts
VIC, 49 posts
9 Aug 2015 7:57pm
Hey there Holdfastom
Welcome to the forum. I get all my cordage from a mob called Ropesgalore.
They are based in Sydney and have great deals all the time. They also offer free delivery on all orders.
I am in no way connected to this company but can't recomend they highly enough!
Cheers John

RL28 Pinnaroo, series 100 Landcruiser, Black GL1800 Goldwing
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
10 Aug 2015 9:51am
I can supply and splice all ropes you might need at better prices than whitworths or the other place linked above, even with freight from tassie.

I have just done a full set of halyards for a new 48ft cat.

If you want splices then I usually splice in a tip of 4-5m of dyneema. This eliminates the thick and stiff full spectra splice being at the sheave at full hoist, hence that issue that alot of boats have that the last metre or so of the sail is really tough to get up.

That said for most cruising boats I use a version of a halyard knot straight onto the shackle as you are sizing the rope not for strength but for low stretch, therefore losing 40% stength in a knot is not an issue.

Send me a PM if interested.
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
10 Aug 2015 10:11am
I just purchased a new auto pilot i was going to go the steering wheel route a lot cheaper but thought more about it and as i have an aft cabin the emergency tiller is in the aft cabini decided to go linear drive so it give me a second emergency steering just a thought.
McNaughtical
McNaughtical
NSW
908 posts
NSW, 908 posts
10 Aug 2015 2:21pm
rumblefish said..
I can supply and splice all ropes you might need at better prices than whitworths or the other place linked above, even with freight from tassie.
I have just done a full set of halyards for a new 48ft cat.
If you want splices then I usually splice in a tip of 4-5m of dyneema. This eliminates the thick and stiff full spectra splice being at the sheave at full hoist, hence that issue that alot of boats have that the last metre or so of the sail is really tough to get up.
That said for most cruising boats I use a version of a halyard knot straight onto the shackle as you are sizing the rope not for strength but for low stretch, therefore losing 40% stength in a knot is not an issue.
Send me a PM if interested.


Me too... I need new halyards for my Tartan 37. I'll PM you.
holdfastom
holdfastom
NSW
42 posts
NSW, 42 posts
10 Aug 2015 10:24pm
Thank you rumblefish am sending you a pm...
holdfastom
holdfastom
NSW
42 posts
NSW, 42 posts
10 Aug 2015 10:37pm
Sorry mate not sure I got you there
twodogs1969 said..
I just purchased a new auto pilot i was going to go the steering wheel route a lot cheaper but thought more about it and as i have an aft cabin the emergency tiller is in the aft cabini decided to go linear drive so it give me a second emergency steering just a thought.


So you bought a tiller auto pilot and hooked it up to emergency tiller is that right? Can I ask what kind of autopilot etc? My emergency tiller attachment is at back of cockpit but I havent actually thought of connecting it direct to it...
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2680 posts
QLD, 2680 posts
11 Aug 2015 2:49am
HI Holdfastom,
Welcome! Regards autohelms;

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Case 1: Raymarine
I bought a Raymarine EVO Tiller autopilot 18 months ago for my 26', and find it really good. Simple, quiet, I have had it out in moderate swell and found it really good (if you've trimmed to suit.)
It can go all berko and put itself into standby when it can't get you back on course, (ie: rounded up and pinned flat with too much sail up,) so it is not good enough for hero moments methinks if you like sailing like that.

Pros;
9 axis gyro. This was good for course holding and accuracy.
Uses a ST4000 series hydraulic ram. I'd normally have a 1000 series for my size boat, so potential overkill, but I like the overbuilt aspect.
NMEA interconnect. My chartplotter is a Garmin 620, so it only supported nmea0183, and the Evo takes nmea 2000, but it worked a treat with a balun.
S70 control interface is excellent and simple.
Wireless fob if you want one.

Cons;
Haven't mastered autotacking single handed with it. Boat seems washy, almost tacks too narrowly (90 is a fixed default). It could be my trim and not the autohelm, but it is getting annoying.
Doesn't recover from a knockdown, goes into standby.
Had to reconnect a loose wire in the ram head after the first outing when it died. Not hard to fix, but annoying to troubleshoot a brand new purchase.

Cost: $3K?? Thats the pack, includes control head, acu and hydraulic ram. Somebody check me on the price, but whitworths have them, so easy enough to google.

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Case 2: NKE
I have just ordered a NKE autohelm for my new 40'. Totally different class, (and price bracket).

Pros:
The sensor input to the auotpilot is 20hz, compared to my Raymarine EVO at 1hz. Can also 1hz and all the inbetweens.
Handles complex inputs, it knows how, and can adjust the wind speed numbers from the masthead anemometer as it reads the heel angle from the gyro. Cool.
Man OB function: means if you fall off the boat with a wireless fob she will put herself in irons. Even has cool wrist strap fobs for kids options.

Cons:
To get the yuppie 20hz stuff, all your sensors must be 20hz stuff, so expensive. The regatta processor is $5K for example.

Cost: $15K. That's for the pack, same bom as the Raymarine really.

I have no association with either company.
I hope this helps!
SB


twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
11 Aug 2015 10:55am
No it bolts onto the quadrant
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
11 Aug 2015 11:00am
holdfastom said...
Sorry mate not sure I got you there
twodogs1969 said..
I just purchased a new auto pilot i was going to go the steering wheel route a lot cheaper but thought more about it and as i have an aft cabin the emergency tiller is in the aft cabini decided to go linear drive so it give me a second emergency steering just a thought.


So you bought a tiller auto pilot and hooked it up to emergency tiller is that right? Can I ask what kind of autopilot etc? My emergency tiller attachment is at back of cockpit but I havent actually thought of connecting it direct to it...


Not a tiller model it bolts onto the steering quadrant so if your cables break it still drives only time it wouldn't work is if your whole rudder fell off.
animusmh12
animusmh12
NSW
31 posts
NSW, 31 posts
11 Aug 2015 11:10am
There are some great riggers and splicers in Sydney. I am the Distributor of Liros Ropes here in Australia and am happy to give you some contacts if you want. Just send me a message.
holdfastom
holdfastom
NSW
42 posts
NSW, 42 posts
11 Aug 2015 11:27am
Righto so what model did you use on the quadrant?
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
11 Aug 2015 1:04pm
holdfastom said...
Righto so what model did you use on the quadrant?


I have purchased all b&g but raymarine do make one also.
While raymarine are cheaper i was concerned about after sales availability of spare parts.
www.raymarine.com.au/view/index-id=7683.html
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