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Another foil setup

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Created by JEG 2 months ago, 5 Mar 2019
surfcowboy
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6 Mar 2019 6:49PM
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Piros made one of these too I think

swoosh
QLD, 1649 posts
8 Mar 2019 8:30PM
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unfortunately his maths is wrong.

Fishdude
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8 Mar 2019 10:30PM
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Yeah I I'm not seeing the leverage ether. But the manor in which you distribute your weight changes. So maybe less foot to foot wieght shifting and more core body movements when pumping...

Watching Ron Stacks surf that board looks very surfboard like. He cuts out of wave almost identical to surfers do. He turns 180 degrees without effort.

Fishdude
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9 Mar 2019 7:50AM
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surfcowboy said..
Piros made one of these too I think


I saw were he made one or two of them but never read any feedback on performance. I think the last I read his board wasn't right for the foil not sure.

hilly
WA, 4565 posts
9 Mar 2019 12:53PM
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Looks good here www.instagram.com/p/BqsFDPAHlS_/

Piros
QLD, 5408 posts
9 Mar 2019 4:36PM
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I've done 3 now first one was best but I tore it out of the board and lost the foil. It really does work but hard to get everything right. Is it better ....don't know really know .

colas
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9 Mar 2019 3:53PM
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swoosh said..
unfortunately his maths is wrong.


Yes, his explanations are total cow manure. His "understanding" of how forces work is insane.
This does not mean it cannot be useful in practice, though.

Note that mechanically the angle will just add more constraints on the gear and more lateral flex (wobbles) by lengthening the mast, the only actual change will be the yaw-countering effect, like a fin. In this case, the center of lateral resistance will move aft as the mast lift out of the water, which is the opposite of what you want in a SUP foil: you want the CLR aft for paddling and countering the row. I guess this is why he had to add a fin on the tail. Logically, he should have slanted the mast the other way, to get a CLR aft for paddling and more centered for flying.

Holoholo
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10 Mar 2019 12:49AM
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What it's worth- dude in the above explanation vid is Dave Daum, owns Kings SUP... Ron Stack- the guy who makes it/owns Angle Foil is riding in the vid. Seen the setup firsthand. It's one piece fuse/mast/plate, welded aluminum. Rock solid, no flex. One's he's currently making accommodates GoFoil wings and he's done some for Kings wings which is why the above pitch I assume. Think he does custom for others.

I've never been on one, but know 2 that have- say it pumps insane and turns are scary easy/sensitive- that part takes getting used to. Obviously- you have to put in additional boxes- just forward of standard location.

Fishdude
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10 Mar 2019 4:12AM
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Holoholo said..
What it's worth- dude in the above explanation vid is Dave Daum, owns Kings SUP... Ron Stack- the guy who makes it/owns Angle Foil is riding in the vid. Seen the setup firsthand. It's one piece fuse/mast/plate, welded aluminum. Rock solid, no flex. One's he's currently making accommodates GoFoil wings and he's done some for Kings wings which is why the above pitch I assume. Think he does custom for others.

I've never been on one, but know 2 that have- say it pumps insane and turns are scary easy/sensitive- that part takes getting used to. Obviously- you have to put in additional boxes- just forward of standard location.


Do you know if anyone uses that angled foil without foot straps?

Holoholo
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11 Mar 2019 2:10PM
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Do you know if anyone uses that angled foil without foot straps?


No- but then again, I only know a few who have been on it. Don't know that it would/why it would matter for someone used to not using straps?

Fishdude
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12 Mar 2019 1:19AM
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Holoholo said..



Do you know if anyone uses that angled foil without foot straps?



No- but then again, I only know a few who have been on it. Don't know that it would/why it would matter for someone used to not using straps?

Just curious... the way I think of the mast being between the feet, I imagine it could give you the ability to gain a little pump power from lifting the front foot, simular to how a bicycler with clipped in feet does. I'm going to have to try it one day, maybe a DIY version

hilly
WA, 4565 posts
12 Mar 2019 6:15AM
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simular to how a bicycler with clipped in feet does. I'm going to have to try it one day, maybe a DIY version



But your arse is not on a seat so what do you lift against?

surfcowboy
25 posts
12 Mar 2019 1:11PM
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Hilly, inertia.

Strap weights to your ankle and jump. You will be lifting that weight without touching anything. Another test, hold onto a friend's belt and have him jump. You will feel the force of him lifting you. And also it will be super awkward. Tell us what he says after.

Fishdude
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13 Mar 2019 11:38AM
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hilly said..

simular to how a bicycler with clipped in feet does. I'm going to have to try it one day, maybe a DIY version




But your arse is not on a seat so what do you lift against?


I'm just trying to rationalize why they may feel like they have a mechanical advantage. I can see how it may feel easyer but less work being done. Pure speculation on my part.



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