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Down wind Foiling - what works?

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Created by spartacus A week ago, 10 Jul 2018
spartacus
NSW, 84 posts
10 Jul 2018 7:05PM
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Hi,

Interested in trying down wind foiling and looking for tips and advice on work works. With the cost of new gear would be good to hear some opinions from people who are DW foiling to help get a proper set up. Looking to DW foil across local lake & off the beaches.

Been SUP foiling waves for about 6 months (Kite foiling 12 mths) & have that pretty sorted (still working on proper pump tech) but have not had much luck or experience DW foiling.

Currently running a Naish Thruster large wing & I'm sitting around 90kgs.

What wings & boards are the DW foilers running or recommend?


Thanks


Scott

paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
11 Jul 2018 5:53AM
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spartacus said..
Hi,

Interested in trying down wind foiling and looking for tips and advice on work works. With the cost of new gear would be good to hear some opinions from people who are DW foiling to help get a proper set up. Looking to DW foil across local lake & off the beaches.

Been SUP foiling waves for about 6 months (Kite foiling 12 mths) & have that pretty sorted (still working on proper pump tech) but have not had much luck or experience DW foiling.

Currently running a Naish Thruster large wing & I'm sitting around 90kgs.

What wings & boards are the DW foilers running or recommend?


Thanks


Scott




Scott you will need a big wing maybe the new XL naish wing might work or we mostly use the 280 and 200 gofoil wings.

you will need bigger that you have now forsure.

Board side of things smaller is better, a board built for foiling also works better but a crossover board will still work if it has to. I have been using our 7'3 but now have a 6'1 x 26,

You have to learn to really read the ocean bumps and learn how slow you can go, there are times you are not moving but still on the foil and this is the key as it's not all speed and going flat out. It's also very important to work on angles as the angles you have to take are crazy.
If you have the right gear and done the time in the waves then it's not that hard but you will get leg pump like never before. Try and start with say 5km runs otherwise you will not be able to walk the next day!!

Here are the DW boards we now use, you can click on the board pick to get bottom and side profile shots.
www.onestanduppaddle.com/boards%20page/Foil

If you have any trouble getting it feel free to message me and I will help where I can to get you up and going. By the way DW foiling leaves foiling in the waves for dead once you get it.

here is a vid on the 7'3 ONE and 200 gofoil.

Jacko

JB
NSW, 1850 posts
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11 Jul 2018 5:55AM
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Firstly you should be able to DW your Thrust Surf Large, It will pick up chops and swells quite well, however it is challenging to stay on them.

The Thust Surf XL however is awesome for DW surfing/paddling/pumping.

This said though, I would not embark on a decent journey until your pump is 100% dialed, as you will be doing a lot of it (I suggest being able to pump and paddle in unison effectively enough to pump back out the back while surfing as a minimum).

Whilst the gear helps a lot, it is still mainly technique, knowledge, skill and a lot of fitness that will get you down wind. I assume you have done downwinders before on a 14'er or similar with success (being lot's of glides maintained for a decent distance)?

Here is a vid from quite a while a go when I tried my first SUP Foil DW attempt. It had mixed success and the wind totally died on me by the time I got out into the swell, but I did get a couple a short glides and it taught me a lot. This was on the Hover 120 and Thrust Surf Large.



Good luck with it, work on that pumping, and enjoy the glide,

Ride safe,

JB

BrisKites
QLD, 1194 posts
12 Jul 2018 12:51PM
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Plenty of size in the new Naish XL
1572cm2Photo below shows comparison to the Large.





paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
13 Jul 2018 5:42AM
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Looks like about the same size as a 200 Gofoil which you can down wind on no worries if you are good enough and have enough wind. The bigger 280 GF is so much easier for most of the east coast Down wind conditions to learn on. I think if I had to learn on a 200 to DW I might never have got it in the winds we have as it's not Maui here that's foresure!!

Maybe it has more lift than the size shows but to me it looks like you would be able to get up and going for a while but to keep it up for 10 km would require a bit more skill so maybe it's a bit more of a adavanced DW wing the Naish? Sometimes it's hard with companies that come out of Maui as the winds are so good that they sometimes forget that the rest of the world does not get the same kind of epicness and that the sport is still so young and everyone is still learning. I still say if you want to learn DW then start with the biggest foil you can as staying up on the foil is the key and going fast will come later.

Beasho
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Tuesday , 17 Jul 2018 4:00AM
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Looks like you can downwind if you have a GoFoil Maliko 200 and a Kalama Board in the Gorge:

"Dave says that it is easier to Downwind Foil on the Columbia than riding (here) on the North Shore of Maui!"

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paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
Tuesday , 17 Jul 2018 6:20AM
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Beasho said..
Looks like you can downwind if you have a GoFoil Maliko 200 and a Kalama Board in the Gorge:

"Dave says that it is easier to Downwind Foil on the Columbia than riding (here) on the North Shore of Maui!"

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I will tell you in a few days as I will be in Hood from Tomorrow with all my foil gear so will let you know what works for me.

Thursday , 19 Jul 2018 7:35AM
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I agree with Jacko & JB, the key is working on your paddle technique & quick pumps to get started....I'm on Maui now doing downwinders everyday training for M2O & my first go at DW foiling sucked.... But i'm back out there today & everyone says it'll take half a dozen goes...The GoFoil M200 is perfect & I'm using a 7'3 JL Overboard but I think a smaller board would be better for initial liftoff if it's stable enough for you..

paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
Thursday , 19 Jul 2018 10:23AM
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Just did my first run here in Hood and used the 280 and my 7'3 as I am still waiting for my new 6'1 to turn up and it was so crazy easy!!!
foiled from the very start to the very end just over 12km with 4 falls after hitting weed patches it otherwise it was 2 or 3 strokes and up and going.
I have a SUP race tomorrow but after that I will do a few vids of how easy somewhere like Hood river is to foil and maybe a few vids on timing to pump it up.

Could easily use a 200 here today as it was pretty windy but the 280 did fine just a bit over powered in the middle part of the run.

glennc
NSW, 134 posts
Yesterday , 20 Jul 2018 9:25AM
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Hi Jacko
thanks for your tips on sup foiling. Could you let me know which paddle you've found best for DW sup foiling?
The smaller surf paddle or longer race length paddle?

paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
Yesterday , 20 Jul 2018 2:30PM
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glennc said..
Hi Jacko
thanks for your tips on sup foiling. Could you let me know which paddle you've found best for DW sup foiling?
The smaller surf paddle or longer race length paddle?

A bloody strong one!! haha I have snapped 3 blades now so I decided to make a new paddle just for foiling that is a bit stronger should have production on these starting in about a weeks time after I test the last round of protos that are due at home any day now.
Small blade is fine I use a 84sq blade kind it's perfect. In saying this I snapped my blade today and only had at best a 1/4 left and I could still get going easy.

will do some filming tomorrow as it is crazy windy here at the moment so flying is super easy it's just the slowing down part that is hard!!lol

colas
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Yesterday , 20 Jul 2018 1:04PM
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paul.j said..
A bloody strong one!! haha I have snapped 3 blades now


Is it always by hitting the foil, or are there others factors?

glennc
NSW, 134 posts
Yesterday , 20 Jul 2018 4:47PM
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Thanks Jacko
my main question was relating to paddle length.
Had my first go today in a bay was blowing 30 knots. I rode a JL 73 and the go foil 200. Paddled the whole way and didn't get up once. Absolutely buggered.

paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
4 hours ago , 21 Jul 2018 1:43AM
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glennc said..
Thanks Jacko
my main question was relating to paddle length.
Had my first go today in a bay was blowing 30 knots. I rode a JL 73 and the go foil 200. Paddled the whole way and didn't get up once. Absolutely buggered.


paddle length is head high.
Trust me get a bigger wing and life will be 100 times easier to learn DW IMO the 280 is the smallest you would want to learn on unless maybe you have skills like Kai lenny!!

paul.j
QLD, 2672 posts
4 hours ago , 21 Jul 2018 1:46AM
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colas said..

paul.j said..
A bloody strong one!! haha I have snapped 3 blades now



Is it always by hitting the foil, or are there others factors?


some have been from miss timing and hitting the wing the last one was from falling and slapping the blade super hard on to the water was crazy how hard it hits. We build our blade extra tough as well so can show the force sometimes and I am yet to break one just paddling ever!!



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