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Long Distance Pumping - LDP - who's into it?

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Created by kiteboy dave > 9 months ago, 11 Dec 2013
kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
11 Dec 2013 10:34PM
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This is my latest skateboard, it's a dedicated LDP board, a Roe Racing Triton.
Purchased from Stoked Skateboards by the way, and they are awesome, amazing service & enthusiasm.
stokedrideshop.com/products/exile-mfg-cyclone-ldp-longboard-deck-and-complete

Fitted with Don't Trip Poppies - LDP precision trucks.
BigZigs 75mm wheels - Different hardness front/rear, which is why the different colour
Riptide bushings.
Buzzed Amish precision washers roadside.
Blood Orange grip tape
Riptide footstop to fit, and some tiny bike lights for night riding.

imgur.com/a/r1shV

I'm just learning but the other night I did 3.8km in 20mins at average 11km/h. 3 laps of a street circuit around my local area with a few ups and downs, net elevation change zero. I pushed about 20 pushes in that distance, ie maybe 6-8 pushes up the steepest part of each lap. The rest was just pumping.

For anyone who hasn't tried, pumping feels amazing, like surfing the streets. It's a great feeling when it all clicks and you're just carving hard, leaning into it, and it's propelling you forward. Like surfing and endless wave, or wakeboarding in silence..

This is the vid of a QLD LDP guy that made me commit to buying my board. Similar area to mine and same brand of board:





This guy, Eric Lowell, pumps with a ton of style. Big guy but he looks so light on his feet.



From what I've read this is a newish and growing sport, in the US they're doing 10-50 mile races, and even 24hr endurance races.

Personally I'm not going to push myself that far, but I am using it for fitness as well as fun. I'm using Endomodo on my phone to track route, average & top speed, etc. I'm trying to do at least 3x20 mins of hard exercise.

Any other Seabreezers keen?


HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
12 Dec 2013 12:02AM
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kiteboy dave said..

Any other Seabreezers keen?




Done a heap of it before SUP, some hefty distance runs but nothing like the yanks (Odi, the guy in your top vid helped me out with a Bennett/seismic combo for my first setup, I still run that truck setup (with some mods) on my G|Bomb rig). The G|Bomb is my travel board and my main LDP rig is a Roe Mermaid with a dewedged Seismic in the rear and an Octane Virage Vite precision LDP truck up front. Tend to run the Jeff Vyain Atobe wigglers up front and Atobe Bonnevilles out back, or Lemon/lime Zigs for a change of pace. Love the LDP stoke but don't get to do it enough. Style wise I like to mix it up but tend to favour a bit more carvy/drivey like Eric (but not as pretty) rather than wiggly wiggly like Odi or JP.

For anyone interested in finding out more, www.pavedwave.org for all that's fresh and good in LDP, be good to get some local chat going here too.

Edit: I can't go uphill like eric:

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kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
12 Dec 2013 2:14PM
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These are my other boards.

This is an Original Torpedo, 40" with S10 trucks (10") and Orangatang In-Heat wheels.
It is very flexy for my 100kgs. Great board to ride, and it's a little pumpable.
I really like the style and ride of this board.



This is my first board, A Landyachtz Spud with 90mm Flywheels and Carver c7 trucks. The double pivot trucks are supposed to make boards pumpable, but this one isn't. This is good for beginners, as it's a very low ride, only 1" off the deck with my weight on it. Not far to fall/step off. Also the huge wheels make it roll over anything without hesitation.



HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
12 Dec 2013 8:20PM
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Current LB Quiver:





Left to right:

G|Bomb Illuminati (all-birch proto), drop-through brackets about Bennet/Seismic combo w/- about 8deg dewedge on the seismic. Lemon & Lime BZs (travel board - lives in the car, breaks down to fit in a suitcase)

Roe Mermaid (stiff flex), Virage/Seismic combo, about 10deg dewedge on the Seismic. Atobe Bonnevilles and Wigglers (LDP weapon of choice)

Comet Crystal Mountain drop-through, Holey trucks and Cult Death Ray wheels (cruisy carver - street SUP and will pump nicely if coaxed)

Kebbek Kootenay, Hybrid Indie trucks and Bonneville/wigglers (low, low pusher/cruiser)

Catalyst Hybrid double-drop pump/push hybrid, Sabre trucks and gumballs. (Jack of all trades, master of none)

(the last two on the right have been commandeered by my kids)



ellemenophee
SA, 68 posts
13 Dec 2013 5:32PM
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awesome sleds there

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
13 Dec 2013 9:36PM
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Nice! Defo similar tastes with a Roe, a drop deck, a cruiser, and a G|Bomb..

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...Odi, the guy in your top vid helped me out with a Bennett/seismic combo for my first setup, I still run that truck setup (with some mods) on my G|Bomb rig..


Small world that you know that guy. He's on the Gold Coast, I think, I'm on the Sunny coast, Same distance from Bris but opposite directions. He's the closest LDP guy that I have come across... so far! I'm hoping to get a few locals on board (on a LDP board to be precise), there's heaps of skaters round my area, in fact my next-door neighbor has 6-8 boards (lent me my first longboard to learn on) and so do a bunch of others in the street.

Odi, if you're out there, come say g'day! That vid just showed me that it can be done, long distance, on beach paths, up/down headlands, and having fun.


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HumanCartoon said..
The G|Bomb is my travel board and my main LDP rig is a Roe Mermaid with a dewedged Seismic in the rear and an Octane Virage Vite precision LDP truck up front.

I started out 100% locked on a G|Bomb. Eventually decided to go topmount first, more pure pumper. No regrets but I still have one on the wish list, near the top. Except for travel, not sure I'd use it though. I might get one with the new Seismics (rear) when they finally come out. Or maybe Rojas people keep raving about them for pumping.


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Edit: I can't go uphill like eric:

I can't go uphill at all yet. I mean the slightest incline you can barely see, I'm ok if I can hold 3rd gear, 2nd is sketchy and my rhythm/drive disappears, and 1st might as well not exist, I'm just pushing at that point. If that makes sense.
Eric's a machine and an inspiration for a 100kg guy like me. There's the bridge one too:

thedrip
WA, 2286 posts
15 Dec 2013 9:26PM
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Its a growing thing. I am on to my second setup. Left the Bennett/Tracker set up behind and now have a new set of Dont Trip Poppy's on my Illuminati. No one pumps in my town and it is almost dead flat. I got into it cause i have bad ankles and knees and could no longer run or ride a bike. Excellent fitness builder. I have a top speed of 32kms/h with the old trucks, but havent fully dialed in the newbies bushings yet.

Great to see other people doing it. Style wise I mix it up between the wiggle to pick up speed and the carve as my maintenance pump. Foot placement varies too.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
16 Dec 2013 8:55AM
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Hey Thedrip the poppies are awesome hey. A real work of art, simple clean metal, and very confidence inspiring under your foot.

I have added some tiny LED bike lights as I'm mostly out at night. Make me visible to cars.
imgur.com/a/7QQqK

Krispy54
NSW, 73 posts
16 Dec 2013 8:49PM
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Have to agree with you guys on the Poppys. No comparison to the Bennett/ tracker or Randal combo.
I also should have a set of Rojas waiting for me when I get home with softy soft and medium bushings to trial. Have a set of Fyres in 130mm on order as well, but don't know if they'll get here by Christmas.

Hey Dave, the lights look great. When you mentioned them I thought you were talking about putting them on your helmet.



kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
17 Dec 2013 12:31PM
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Hey Krispy I got my PSD outie footstop last night. Put it on and thought I might as well try 2 degree wedging while I was playing with longer bolt sizes.

The PSD is good, I won't ride with my foot against it all the time, but nice to not accidentally go to far forward. Also protects front light from accidental foot. You can see the wheelbite marks in the pics below - so adding the wedging should give that extra couple of mms to keep clear now.

As for the 2 degree wedging making a difference, well last night I completed my first 1.25km lap with no pushing at all, I was able to drive enough in 1st gear to make it up the incline. It might have been wind direction helping, but it could have been the wedging. I also broke the 5 minute per km mark, which is a record for me. Endomondo is silent mostly but pipes up as you mark each km, and gives total time, average speed, and split time for last km.

imgur.com/a/HP2Hm

I've very keen for a report on the Rojas, read some rave reviews around the place, and the Fyres to a lesser degree. You need to do some testing on your break and get back to us!!

Goochi
WA, 846 posts
27 Jan 2014 10:25AM
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Really interested in LDP and love the look of the GBomb illuminati Where can you buy one and how much? The local skate shop has never heard of them.

Gdog
QLD, 83 posts
1 Feb 2014 1:54PM
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Hi all,
Thanks for the info on this thread. We have a group of long boarders (mostly kitesurfers) up here in Cairns that go for a ride every Friday night. I had never skated before joining so started with a home made board and sup pole, progressing as I got better at pushing. This pumping idea got me interested and I have spent most of this week following all the leads in this thread. I wanted to have a crack at pumping but only have 3 long board set ups that all run Randal 180's (no skate shops up here). Anyway I put the softest bushings I had (clear ones) in the front truck, wedged 10 degrees and black bushes in the rear de-wedged 10 degrees on my drop down deck with Abec 11 Flywheels 83mm, 75a front and back. The feel was awesome but obviously the pumping power was limited although it has made me real keen. I have now ordered some stuff but only what I could source in Australia. I have gone with the standard Bennet/Tracker combo until I decide what I like and if I am any good at it (I would have loved to run with the Don't Trip Poppies though). I will muck around with making my own platform out of wood and glass (might even get some carbon) and let you know how I go. I am running at 105 meat pies so if you have any advice on flex and bushing it would be much appreciated. The following is what I have ordered, Bennet Vector 5" and Tracker Dart RTS 129, Khiro wedge kit, Khiro tall cone/barrel kit, Khiro bolts 2.5" and 3" and Abec 11 Retro Big Zigs (75mm 83a). Anyway let you know how I go and thanks for the stoke.

Krispy54
NSW, 73 posts
7 Feb 2014 11:12PM
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Hey Gdog,

Great start. Any board and set up is pumpable once you get the groove.
The only difference is how easy they pump and maintain the speed.
If you haven't been here yet - www.tapatalk.com/groups/pavedwave/index.php it's well worth the visit.
Happy reading and enjoy the stoke.

Gdog
QLD, 83 posts
14 Feb 2014 7:28PM
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Hey just finished my LDP board build.
4 layers of 3mm ply epoxied together with a layer of tri-weave glass on top. 2 layers of unidirectional carbon tape and a bi-directional layer of carbon on the bottom. The board is just under 1 meter long, 270mm at the widest has about 6mm of rocker and around 6mm of camber. My 110 kegs produces slight flex but the board is not spongy. Will take it for a spin tonight and let you know how it goes.







































I modified the trucks according to all the info on the LDP sites, now its just a matter of playing with the bushes. Here we go.

Krispy54
NSW, 73 posts
17 Feb 2014 10:43PM
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That is fantastic. Job extremely well done.
Looking forward to a ride report.

Gdog
QLD, 83 posts
18 Feb 2014 8:43AM
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Update - Just under 5 Klm ride on Friday night. I am impressed with this pump style of riding, the board powered up to speed well with some tight small pumps then maintained good speed with slower full body carving pumps. Got buggered a bit and sometimes pushed to get up to cruising speed and got a good work out to say the least. I would love to try some other set ups to see how it compares but no one I know pumps up here (message me if any pumpers are visiting Cairns). I will probably make another board (same dimensions) but with one less uni-directional carbon strip, just to see if a little more flex is better. I have also got a slalom board in my head that needs to get out. Probably sell the Big Daddy electric to fund some Poppies as well. I will keep you posted.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
27 Feb 2014 9:15AM
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Hey love the board build Gdog - made it look easy. Great result.

1 more aussie pumper. It's a small but growing crew.




Gdog
QLD, 83 posts
28 Feb 2014 5:26PM
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Sold that first pumper to a mate and have just finished its twin, I made this one a little shorter and thinner. Also only used one layer of unidirectional carbon for a tad more flex. So far it works well in the street but will give it a good run tonight.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
4 Mar 2014 5:24PM
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Goochi said..

Really interested in LDP and love the look of the GBomb illuminati Where can you buy one and how much? The local skate shop has never heard of them.


Hey Goochi still there? Sorry never noticed your post before. I think you can only buy them from the Gbomb site (google it) or from subsonic. They will be a bit pricey as you'll have to pay shipping too. Wait till the dollar is high! (or don't wait, tipped to fall..) Also if you watch pavedwave and silverfishlongboarding forums you might find a 2nd hand seller in US who will post to you. You could also ask Gbomb guys if they have a 2nd hand/proto/etc.

kemp90
QLD, 1691 posts
10 Mar 2014 11:40AM
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big gaz, that looks sick man!!!!!!

Tloflin
1 posts
6 Apr 2014 7:26AM
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Hello! I am just getting into longboarding and pumping seems really cool! I have a maestro mini that I have been using to push, but I want a dedicated pumper. I was wondering if the Triton is beginner friendly when it comes to pumping. I know it's a pumping board, but I want to know if it is beginner friendly before I buy it.
Thanks!
P.S. Sorry for reviving an old thread

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
6 Apr 2014 8:26PM
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Hi T,

I have only been skating about 9 month in total. I never did it as a teen as I went the rollerblade option instead. So I was a total noob.

I borrowed a very stable, non reactive longboard and pushed around a bit, then bought the landyatchz drop down pusher you see in the thread.
I had that about 3-4 months before I got the Triton.

So I would say I was pretty much a total beginner pumper and not far off being a beginner skater.

I spent a bit extra and got the Don't Trip Poppies so I can't comment on other trucks. But the Poppies feel very confidence inspiring. I've only come off once and that was due to wheelbite and the board stopping - I have more riser now.

My first session on the Triton, first attempt to pump, I was able to go about 400m without pushing. I would call that beginner friendly.

I can now jump on and go for a mile and when I do push it's only because it's uphill, upwind, bad tarmac, or some combination of those. Sometimes I could pump but I throw in a few pushes just to change position/muscles/etc.

I would say definitely get a PSD footstop, I have the 'outie' one, google it. Mounted on front bolts and then adjusted as far back as possible, and it's the perfect place to stop your foot at. This stops me getting too far over the front of the board, very useful for a beginner.



Goochi
WA, 846 posts
24 Apr 2014 6:14PM
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Hi Kiteboy

Thanks for the info. I went on the G Bomb website and they have 2 completes - a pump and a push/pump (for pushing and pumping obviously).

http://www.gbomblongboards.com/push-pump.html

Is the iluminati a push/pump board? I happen to be in the US next month so I am thinking of picking one up? which model do I go for?

Cheers

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
27 Apr 2014 6:29PM
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Hey Goochi,

You need to think about where you're going to ride - if there's a lot of fairly flat fairly smooth roads/paths then once you learn you're going to want to pump more than push. Otherwise you might be better with the push board, it can still pump a bit.

If I was buying a G Bomb I think I'd go for the Free-ride... but I'm not sure 100%.
They actually have 4 completes there, they are all different. The free-ride has 10mm drop adjustable brackets back & front, the push board has 35mm drop back & front.

The way I see it, the big advantage of the G Bomb is the adjustable brackets. If you imagine a mountain bike and you change gears on front or back sprocket for different effects, well changing wedging/ truck angle is similar. So I'd want that on both front and back. The front on the 'Pump' models comes with the fixed fork bracket which is optimised for 1 speed and 1 truck (bennet) but I'd rather have on the fly adjustment, and it seems to me the front adjustment is more important than rear, so why buy a fixed front?

That leaves choice of 35mm or 10mm drop. 35 obviously means 1 inch less to get your foot down to road, easier to push. But it also would mean less leverage over trucks, more swing below trucks, which would lessen the power/efficiency of pump.

Illuminati is just the board part made by subsonic, the texalium is pretty but that's about all the difference.
They are closing or changing hands this year I believe, might be hard to line up.

Either way I'd be in contact before you go, don't expect to rock up & find them in many shops over there...


PS I've been trying my new smaller pump board - Candy Spanks Super Chili done in carbon fibre with Seismic rear truck, Bennet front on 20 degree Cindrich baseplate, wedged appropriately, seismic avalon 62mm wheels. Some yankee fella put it together pretty carefully, then sold to me barely used. Pics soon.







kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
30 Apr 2014 9:32AM
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Goochi work your way backwards thru this thread for some ideas.
http://pavedwave.myfastforum.org/ftopic36-915.php

Pics of my Super Chili. I took it for a pump last night and got wheelbite doing a hard turn about 1.5kms from home, stalled the board and hit the road pretty hard on my side.

I'll try some firmer bushings on the front and/or tightening kingpin but a bit, possibly throw on some dewedge too as it feels a bit low geared as it is.

imgur.com/a/QgWUw

flyingcab
VIC, 942 posts
2 Apr 2015 8:19PM
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Been doing this for around 5 years lol
used to bomb hills then got sick of the gravel rash, then got into all the slow pace style stuff which led to this.
I used to regularly pump ~10k, I recently did 20k and can pump up mild hills - the ones you can easily carve down without pushing.
I find board walks are best, wide smooth cement, just gotta be careful if you hit some dust lol.
As for the trucks i honestly think around 20 degrees on the back is better as you can chuck loads of weight rearward at the end of a carve and it shoots you forwards so much more aggressively.

thedrip
WA, 2286 posts
20 Apr 2015 3:48PM
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I have been on a Subsonic Illuminati for several years now. Initially with Bennett/tracker and now with Poppys. I have bad ankles and knees and got into it to keep some aerobic fitness and leg and core strength for surfing. I hate swimming and my lower legs limit any gym work, which I am not that fond of anyway.

I do 5km at least 3 times a week and sometimes add in a a 10-12 km run on weekends. My top speed is about 30km/hr and I maintain 16-20 for most of the runs. I have the heaviest lamination with texaliuM. I preferred my first board which didn't have the tex as it doesn't flex anywhere near as nicely as the earlier one without the tex.

I use 85mm Speed Vents, which were slightly painful with the Poppys as I had to raise the board to avoid wheelbite at the front. Since I had the deep drop pumping brackets it pretty much defeated the purpose of the deep drop and I probably would have got the Pulse as the board is significantly higher now, although still lower than a lot of standard pumping boards. The Bennett/Tracker combo had no such issues, but I was always nervous of kingpin failure from the Bennett. The Tracker was also chewing out the bushing seat so these cheap but effective trucks weren't doing it for me, hence the change.

A Skatekings may be my next ldp board with 2x trucks. Or just go traditional and get the Roe.



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