mcrt said..

Doomsy said..
Cuda 7'-7" X 17.5" 90L 3.49KG

That is a production Barracuda or a custom one-hit wonder?

Custom

12.2 lbs

Prone paddled up my 85L with hand paddles! Kneeling of course. Super stoked. Conditions were cranking onshore at my river spot with about 5 miles of fetch. After winging I paddled offshore and turned around for a few attempts. Nailed the 3rd try. 60cm mast with 1325.

WingDing- I've only tried the 1325 DW so far, but have tried a bunch of other front wings winging.

Yesterday I took the DW board to the oceanfront to test out some prone/sup/kneeling surf foiling in some clean waist to stomach inconsistent surf. Paddling in prone was really nice with the 925 and 205 stab. Pumped really well and almost linked up a second wave, but switched to SUP to put in the time learning that. At first stand up with the smaller foil, I thought there was no way I'd be able to SUP this smaller 85L (+20L) board, but I started to get it dialed. With about 8 legit paddle attempts into waves, I almost had a couple, with one big set I stopped paddling when I thought I was gold, but the wind pushed me off the back. From the start of the session to the end, big improvements I'd say and I'll be catching waves in a couple more sessions I bet. The conditions were a bit challenging with some waves lipping, so not really ideal for learning.

I also have no idea if my mast position was right for Sup. That's something I'm going to need to dial in once I actually start catching waves. James Casey's latest Youtube video, 'Thursday Thoughts' touches on mast position for Armstrong and Lift foils for SUP.

dejavu said..
I tried my Armstrong 7' 2" DW board for the first time yesterday with an 8.0 metre Vision wing with the Kijura 1440 in winds gusting from 5 to 7 1/2 knots (as per my wind meter). I had to place the mast very close to the very back of the track to achieve a nice smooth lift off onto foil. A couple of easy pumps of the hand wing and I was up -- easiest lift off I've experienced yet in so very little wind My weight is around 73 or 74 kilos with winter gear. I have a Sab 1750 foil to try -- the mast will probably have to go right at the back of the track with this 13:1 aspect ratio foil since it has such a massive wing span (5' 10") and so much lift -- we'll see.

I'm looking at that same DW boards but my concern with Armstrong is exactly what you describe. I'm afraid my Gong gear may not work that far forward as the Armstrong boxes are placed. How long are your tracks?

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
WingDing- I've only tried the 1325 DW so far, but have tried a bunch of other front wings winging.

Yesterday I took the DW board to the oceanfront to test out some prone/sup/kneeling surf foiling in some clean waist to stomach inconsistent surf. Paddling in prone was really nice with the 925 and 205 stab. Pumped really well and almost linked up a second wave, but switched to SUP to put in the time learning that. At first stand up with the smaller foil, I thought there was no way I'd be able to SUP this smaller 85L (+20L) board, but I started to get it dialed. With about 8 legit paddle attempts into waves, I almost had a couple, with one big set I stopped paddling when I thought I was gold, but the wind pushed me off the back. From the start of the session to the end, big improvements I'd say and I'll be catching waves in a couple more sessions I bet. The conditions were a bit challenging with some waves lipping, so not really ideal for learning.

I also have no idea if my mast position was right for Sup. That's something I'm going to need to dial in once I actually start catching waves. James Casey's latest Youtube video, 'Thursday Thoughts' touches on mast position for Armstrong and Lift foils for SUP.

So what weight are you and have you had Sup
experience.
Are you saying above you were standing and paddling into waves aka like a normal
foil Sup . at 19 inchnwide ??

how you even standing on that bloody thing ?

I'm 65kgs dry, with no substantial SUP experience except for a few attempts on my first 105L 5'10 x ? SUP/wing board 3 or so years ago and quite a few miles on my giant 12'6 touring board. I've got plenty of balance practice winging on my 60L Armstrong wing board in light conditions, so that helps, plus skateboarding, snowboarding, surfing since I was a kid.
After over 10+ wing sessions and a handful of sessions with SUP and hand paddles, I'm thinking the next size up would have been a better call had I been 90% focused on SUP DW. But as my use of the board has played out, given the conditions and available time, the board has sort of fallen into my go to Wing Board, with intermittent SUP and hand paddle practice mixed in. I can foresee a scenario where I almost go from this 86L to my 34L and ditch the 60L for winging. The only real advantage i see with my 60L is the ability to catch air. I can turn the 86L almost as good, and at a steeper angle given the thin waistline.

This size seems to be a good option for me for knee paddling with the hand paddles ('prone'), as my last practice session in light onshore conditions yielded a 1mph faster peak speed with hand paddles over SUP, almost 25% faster. I'm not able to keep a level board and deliver a strong sup stroke quite yet, so it's a work in progress. Whereas the hand paddles feel like turbo boosters. I think next time I'm out in real bumps with the 1750 and bigger tail, I'll be up prone no drama, fingers crossed. I can also run a shorter mast and not worry about side to side balance when kneeling.

I hate to say it, but maybe a 7'6" x 18.5" x 100L would probably be my SUP DW golden ticket (but at the same time sorta suck for winging). I do not need a 5th foil board. I do not need a 5th foil board.

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
WingDing- I've only tried the 1325 DW so far, but have tried a bunch of other front wings winging.

Yesterday I took the DW board to the oceanfront to test out some prone/sup/kneeling surf foiling in some clean waist to stomach inconsistent surf. Paddling in prone was really nice with the 925 and 205 stab. Pumped really well and almost linked up a second wave, but switched to SUP to put in the time learning that. At first stand up with the smaller foil, I thought there was no way I'd be able to SUP this smaller 85L (+20L) board, but I started to get it dialed. With about 8 legit paddle attempts into waves, I almost had a couple, with one big set I stopped paddling when I thought I was gold, but the wind pushed me off the back. From the start of the session to the end, big improvements I'd say and I'll be catching waves in a couple more sessions I bet. The conditions were a bit challenging with some waves lipping, so not really ideal for learning.

I also have no idea if my mast position was right for Sup. That's something I'm going to need to dial in once I actually start catching waves. James Casey's latest Youtube video, 'Thursday Thoughts' touches on mast position for Armstrong and Lift foils for SUP.

So what weight are you and have you had Sup
experience.
Are you saying above you were standing and paddling into waves aka like a normal
foil Sup . at 19 inchnwide ??

how you even standing on that bloody thing ?

I'm 65kgs dry, with no substantial SUP experience except for a few attempts on my first 105L 5'10 x ? SUP/wing board 3 or so years ago and quite a few miles on my giant 12'6 touring board. I've got plenty of balance practice winging on my 60L Armstrong wing board in light conditions, so that helps, plus skateboarding, snowboarding, surfing since I was a kid.
After over 10+ wing sessions and a handful of sessions with SUP and hand paddles, I'm thinking the next size up would have been a better call had I been 90% focused on SUP DW. But as my use of the board has played out, given the conditions and available time, the board has sort of fallen into my go to Wing Board, with intermittent SUP and hand paddle practice mixed in. I can foresee a scenario where I almost go from this 86L to my 34L and ditch the 60L for winging. The only real advantage i see with my 60L is the ability to catch air. I can turn the 86L almost as good, and at a steeper angle given the thin waistline.

This size seems to be a good option for me for knee paddling with the hand paddles ('prone'), as my last practice session in light onshore conditions yielded a 1mph faster peak speed with hand paddles over SUP, almost 25% faster. I'm not able to keep a level board and deliver a strong sup stroke quite yet, so it's a work in progress. Whereas the hand paddles feel like turbo boosters. I think next time I'm out in real bumps with the 1750 and bigger tail, I'll be up prone no drama, fingers crossed. I can also run a shorter mast and not worry about side to side balance when kneeling.

I hate to say it, but maybe a 7'6" x 18.5" x 100L would probably be my SUP DW golden ticket (but at the same time sorta suck for winging). I do not need a 5th foil board. I do not need a 5th foil board.

Suppose my main question was can you stand on this 19 inch DW wind board - or always have to be sup paddling i presume. Its not like you are waiting in the surf line up with it?
sounds like you are really using it for a lot of different purposes. Nice.

Yes, I can stand on it without paddling in flat water. In any bumps, I really need to keep the paddle in the water to have a chance.

MidAtlanticFoil said..

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
WingDing- I've only tried the 1325 DW so far, but have tried a bunch of other front wings winging.

Yesterday I took the DW board to the oceanfront to test out some prone/sup/kneeling surf foiling in some clean waist to stomach inconsistent surf. Paddling in prone was really nice with the 925 and 205 stab. Pumped really well and almost linked up a second wave, but switched to SUP to put in the time learning that. At first stand up with the smaller foil, I thought there was no way I'd be able to SUP this smaller 85L (+20L) board, but I started to get it dialed. With about 8 legit paddle attempts into waves, I almost had a couple, with one big set I stopped paddling when I thought I was gold, but the wind pushed me off the back. From the start of the session to the end, big improvements I'd say and I'll be catching waves in a couple more sessions I bet. The conditions were a bit challenging with some waves lipping, so not really ideal for learning.

I also have no idea if my mast position was right for Sup. That's something I'm going to need to dial in once I actually start catching waves. James Casey's latest Youtube video, 'Thursday Thoughts' touches on mast position for Armstrong and Lift foils for SUP.

So what weight are you and have you had Sup
experience.
Are you saying above you were standing and paddling into waves aka like a normal
foil Sup . at 19 inchnwide ??

how you even standing on that bloody thing ?

I'm 65kgs dry, with no substantial SUP experience except for a few attempts on my first 105L 5'10 x ? SUP/wing board 3 or so years ago and quite a few miles on my giant 12'6 touring board. I've got plenty of balance practice winging on my 60L Armstrong wing board in light conditions, so that helps, plus skateboarding, snowboarding, surfing since I was a kid.
After over 10+ wing sessions and a handful of sessions with SUP and hand paddles, I'm thinking the next size up would have been a better call had I been 90% focused on SUP DW. But as my use of the board has played out, given the conditions and available time, the board has sort of fallen into my go to Wing Board, with intermittent SUP and hand paddle practice mixed in. I can foresee a scenario where I almost go from this 86L to my 34L and ditch the 60L for winging. The only real advantage i see with my 60L is the ability to catch air. I can turn the 86L almost as good, and at a steeper angle given the thin waistline.

This size seems to be a good option for me for knee paddling with the hand paddles ('prone'), as my last practice session in light onshore conditions yielded a 1mph faster peak speed with hand paddles over SUP, almost 25% faster. I'm not able to keep a level board and deliver a strong sup stroke quite yet, so it's a work in progress. Whereas the hand paddles feel like turbo boosters. I think next time I'm out in real bumps with the 1750 and bigger tail, I'll be up prone no drama, fingers crossed. I can also run a shorter mast and not worry about side to side balance when kneeling.

I hate to say it, but maybe a 7'6" x 18.5" x 100L would probably be my SUP DW golden ticket (but at the same time sorta suck for winging). I do not need a 5th foil board. I do not need a 5th foil board.

Suppose my main question was can you stand on this 19 inch DW wind board - or always have to be sup paddling i presume. Its not like you are waiting in the surf line up with it?
sounds like you are really using it for a lot of different purposes. Nice.

Yes, I can stand on it without paddling in flat water. In any bumps, I really need to keep the paddle in the water to have a chance.

Cheers for the Info. Appreciate it.

MidAtlanticFoil said..

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
WingDing- I've only tried the 1325 DW so far, but have tried a bunch of other front wings winging.

Yesterday I took the DW board to the oceanfront to test out some prone/sup/kneeling surf foiling in some clean waist to stomach inconsistent surf. Paddling in prone was really nice with the 925 and 205 stab. Pumped really well and almost linked up a second wave, but switched to SUP to put in the time learning that. At first stand up with the smaller foil, I thought there was no way I'd be able to SUP this smaller 85L (+20L) board, but I started to get it dialed. With about 8 legit paddle attempts into waves, I almost had a couple, with one big set I stopped paddling when I thought I was gold, but the wind pushed me off the back. From the start of the session to the end, big improvements I'd say and I'll be catching waves in a couple more sessions I bet. The conditions were a bit challenging with some waves lipping, so not really ideal for learning.

I also have no idea if my mast position was right for Sup. That's something I'm going to need to dial in once I actually start catching waves. James Casey's latest Youtube video, 'Thursday Thoughts' touches on mast position for Armstrong and Lift foils for SUP.

So what weight are you and have you had Sup
experience.
Are you saying above you were standing and paddling into waves aka like a normal
foil Sup . at 19 inchnwide ??

how you even standing on that bloody thing ?

I'm 65kgs dry, with no substantial SUP experience except for a few attempts on my first 105L 5'10 x ? SUP/wing board 3 or so years ago and quite a few miles on my giant 12'6 touring board. I've got plenty of balance practice winging on my 60L Armstrong wing board in light conditions, so that helps, plus skateboarding, snowboarding, surfing since I was a kid.
After over 10+ wing sessions and a handful of sessions with SUP and hand paddles, I'm thinking the next size up would have been a better call had I been 90% focused on SUP DW. But as my use of the board has played out, given the conditions and available time, the board has sort of fallen into my go to Wing Board, with intermittent SUP and hand paddle practice mixed in. I can foresee a scenario where I almost go from this 86L to my 34L and ditch the 60L for winging. The only real advantage i see with my 60L is the ability to catch air. I can turn the 86L almost as good, and at a steeper angle given the thin waistline.

This size seems to be a good option for me for knee paddling with the hand paddles ('prone'), as my last practice session in light onshore conditions yielded a 1mph faster peak speed with hand paddles over SUP, almost 25% faster. I'm not able to keep a level board and deliver a strong sup stroke quite yet, so it's a work in progress. Whereas the hand paddles feel like turbo boosters. I think next time I'm out in real bumps with the 1750 and bigger tail, I'll be up prone no drama, fingers crossed. I can also run a shorter mast and not worry about side to side balance when kneeling.

I hate to say it, but maybe a 7'6" x 18.5" x 100L would probably be my SUP DW golden ticket (but at the same time sorta suck for winging). I do not need a 5th foil board. I do not need a 5th foil board.

Suppose my main question was can you stand on this 19 inch DW wind board - or always have to be sup paddling i presume. Its not like you are waiting in the surf line up with it?
sounds like you are really using it for a lot of different purposes. Nice.

Yes, I can stand on it without paddling in flat water. In any bumps, I really need to keep the paddle in the water to have a chance.

Cheers for the Info. Appreciate it.

The Armstrong mast track in the DW board is 13" (33 cm.) long.

dejavu said..

Fishdude said..

dejavu said..
I tried my Armstrong 7' 2" DW board for the first time yesterday with an 8.0 metre Vision wing with the Kijura 1440 in winds gusting from 5 to 7 1/2 knots (as per my wind meter). I had to place the mast very close to the very back of the track to achieve a nice smooth lift off onto foil. A couple of easy pumps of the hand wing and I was up -- easiest lift off I've experienced yet in so very little wind My weight is around 73 or 74 kilos with winter gear. I have a Sab 1750 foil to try -- the mast will probably have to go right at the back of the track with this 13:1 aspect ratio foil since it has such a massive wing span (5' 10") and so much lift -- we'll see.

I'm looking at that same DW boards but my concern with Armstrong is exactly what you describe. I'm afraid my Gong gear may not work that far forward as the Armstrong boxes are placed. How long are your tracks?

You are right to be concerned about the placement of the mast tracks on the Armstrong DW boards. I recently tried the Sab 1750 (which is huge) and even with the mast right at the back there was way too much lift -- I was using an 8 metre hand wing In 3 to 7 knots. In the gusts (if you can call them that) the nose of the board goes straight up as the foil engages. I'm going to try shimming my stab to take some lift out of the equation and use a smaller hand wing. It probably wouldn't be an issue for someone weighing in at 90 to 100 kilos but I just don't weigh enough so I'll have to try some tuning and see if that works. I'll check out the track length -- I think they're around 14 inches -- the issue is the forward placement.

Can you not stand further forward for the takeoff? Sometimes foils require a lot of front foot pressure on takeoff and then balance out once up to cruising speed. Could be as simple as bringing your back foot forward 6" when you start attempting to get in foil. If the nose digs, then yeah, mast placement might not work with that setup. You could also try shimming the mast to make it less nose high. Good call trying to shim the tail first.

dejavu said..
The Armstrong mast track in the DW board is 13" (33 cm.) long.

How far from the tail do the tracks start ?

dejavu said..
The mast track starts 20 3/4 inches (52.7 cm.) from the tail.

The Kijura foils work fine for me at or near the rear of the mast track. The big Sab foils are a problem at my relatively light weight.

The issue with standing further forward (so far forward that my back leg is well in front of the mast) has more to do with less control over the foil (the board would start to rise and then slide out from under me ending with a fall -- it felt like it did when I was first learning to get up on foil) than sinking the nose (sinking the nose would be a problem if I was 20 to 30 kilos heavier).

I think part of the solution will be to use a smaller hand wing so I have less upward lift from the hand wing and can therefore use more of my body weight to level the board out as the board lifts (and, of course, placing the mast as far back as I can get it in the tracks). All I need is a little forward speed from the hand wing with little upward lift and I should be able to get it to work. We'll see.

I've seen comments about why the foil tracks shouldn't be more than about 10" long. Piros's comment about 16" mast tracks is right on the money from where I sit -- I'll take a slightly heavier board any day if it guarantees that all my foils work.

Thanks for that info , I bought a Sunova Elite instead of the Armstrong DW board and I ride Armstrong HA , I have my 1125 Ha set almost to the front of the tracks on the Sunova. The tracks start 19 inch from the tail and are 14 inches long and just enough.So Piros comments about 16" tracks are spot on !

AnyBoard said..

kobo said..

dejavu said..
The mast track starts 20 3/4 inches (52.7 cm.) from the tail.

The Kijura foils work fine for me at or near the rear of the mast track. The big Sab foils are a problem at my relatively light weight.

The issue with standing further forward (so far forward that my back leg is well in front of the mast) has more to do with less control over the foil (the board would start to rise and then slide out from under me ending with a fall -- it felt like it did when I was first learning to get up on foil) than sinking the nose (sinking the nose would be a problem if I was 20 to 30 kilos heavier).

I think part of the solution will be to use a smaller hand wing so I have less upward lift from the hand wing and can therefore use more of my body weight to level the board out as the board lifts (and, of course, placing the mast as far back as I can get it in the tracks). All I need is a little forward speed from the hand wing with little upward lift and I should be able to get it to work. We'll see.

I've seen comments about why the foil tracks shouldn't be more than about 10" long. Piros's comment about 16" mast tracks is right on the money from where I sit -- I'll take a slightly heavier board any day if it guarantees that all my foils work.

Thanks for that info , I bought a Sunova Elite instead of the Armstrong DW board and I ride Armstrong HA , I have my 1125 Ha set almost to the front of the tracks on the Sunova. The tracks start 19 inch from the tail and are 14 inches long and just enough.So Piros comments about 16" tracks are spot on !

I notice KDmaui flat water paddling up a lift 90 on a production barracuda and when asked if lift foils work on the production barracuda and if he had tested yet he replied "works perfect right around the front of the box" Makes me wonder about the advice above regarding box sizes as this foil would be about as challenging as it comes and works in the shortest boxes. When I put my PNL185 on my v1.5 mast and less than 10mm from as far back as would go in the box board sits level when performing the KDmaui balance check.

What size elite and what happens when you perform the balance check with your foil jammed forward like that.

Thanks

It's a 7'3 elite, and I find the balance test is fine as a basic check that you are not too far out of whack ,but you can slide the mast back and forth quiet a bit and still get a similar result. Riding it is the only way to know for sure and then things like tail size,fuse length and shimming all come into play. I could for instance put the foil all the way back in the box and run a big tail with lots of shim and it would feel balanced but then that's introducing more drag which I like to avoid . Personally I think it's good to have plenty of room to move and experiment.