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Old Farts Dock Pumping

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Created by cutbacker Monday, 11 Nov 2019
cutbacker
WA, 6 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 3:05AM
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Looks like young guns have no probs pumping any foils, however, my progression stopped no matter how expensive foils I bought. My latest set is GoFoil GL 240 with wide tail and an extra washer for more lift and old 24'5 mast. The problem I have is that after 5-10 pumps my speed is lost and the front wing just drops. Any tips or I should be happy for those few pumps I make?

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Piros
QLD, 5610 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 6:38AM
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Get in the surf with your 240 and when you catch a wave pull off as soon as you get good speed and pump to the wave behind . Keep working on this and you will start pumping heaps better . So much easier to learn to pump with speed. Also don't choke the foil in the pump give it a micro pause to let it glide in between pumps .

cutbacker
WA, 6 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 4:58AM
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Piros said..
Get in the surf with your 240 and when you catch a wave pull off as soon as you get good speed and pump to the wave behind . Keep working on this and you will start pumping heaps better . So much easier to learn to pump with speed. Also don't choke the foil in the pump give it a micro pause to let it glide in between pumps .


Thanks, Piros, I also noticed that if I run faster on the dock I usually do more pumps. However, I'm landlocked with only a few trips per year to the far cost line where we have wind waves. I sometimes have a chance to ride behind the boat but not during this cold season. So my only chance to practice is really the lake near my home. I'll try pauses next time, but even if pump hard I lose the height and speed. Just wondering do I need to do something different and that would instantly allow pumping much longer distances or I just need to try until I get it.

Piros
QLD, 5610 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 8:18AM
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Ok then do you have the red Kai rear wing as well , if so put that on , if not take that washer out. Getting too much lift can actually stop you pumping at first. Try moving your mast forward inch by inch then the same back until you find the best spot for you. Yes more speed off the dock definitely helps . Just keep at it it took me good 60 goes to start nailing it. Also just try jumping on and just gliding to get your feet right , that wing has enormous lift you are probably jumping on too far forward. Find a pontoon jetty that's not too high you want as low as possible and find one that's easy to get out , that's where you burn up all your energy. Also fresh water is harder to start than salt so maybe move to a salt water river if the lake is fresh.

cutbacker
WA, 6 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 6:46AM
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Ok then do you have the red Kai rear wing as well , if so put that on , if not take that washer out. Getting too much lift can actually stop you pumping at first. Try moving your mast forward inch by inch then the same back until you find the best spot for you. Yes more speed off the dock definitely helps . Just keep at it it took me good 60 goes to start nailing it. Also just try jumping on and just gliding to get your feet right , that wing has enormous lift you are probably jumping on too far forward. Find a pontoon jetty that's not too high you want as low as possible and find one that's easy to get out , that's where you burn up all your energy. Also fresh water is harder to start than salt so maybe move to a salt water river if the lake is fresh.


Thanks again. Sea is 300km away and it's not that salty. The link in the first post shows my dock that is ultra-low, almost underwater during autumn.

I think I jump on the right spot for the current setup because if I jump any further I immediately sink nose.I also had an idea that the setup just has too much drag because of the washer so I can't maintain the speed because of it. I have Kai tail, I tried it shortly with GL 240 and there was zero lift. I also have narrow GL tail which I even didn't try. Which do you think would work best for pumping - Kai, wide GL without a washer or narrow GL with/without washer?

Piros
QLD, 5610 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 9:14AM
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Wide flat GL no washer that's the best pumping wing , is that you in the video in the steamer , if so you are away just your arm action is opposite to your pump , throw your arms forward with your pump not away.

RichJam
WA, 7 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 8:04AM
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Where you located? Link is dead

hilly
WA, 4897 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 10:02AM
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Where you located? Link is dead


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RichJam
WA, 7 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 1:15PM
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I assumed wa was Western Aus. Was trying to where had water 3 hrs from the coast!

cutbacker
WA, 6 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 5:49PM
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I assumed wa was Western Aus. Was trying to where had water 3 hrs from the coast!


I'm from the other side of the planet :)

cutbacker
WA, 6 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 5:55PM
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Wide flat GL no washer that's the best pumping wing , is that you in the video in the steamer , if so you are away just your arm action is opposite to your pump , throw your arms forward with your pump not away.


Yea, that's me pumping in cold full in neoprene. I throw hands up because that's what helps me to throw weight up. So when I throw my hands forward I should keep jumping up? Or it should be more jump forward? I saw some peeps are moving hands from front to back, something similar like peeps are jumping forward on the ground.So wide is the best? I thought the narrow could work better as for pumping everyone is talking about the small stabs.

MidAtlanticFoil
18 posts
Tuesday , 11 Nov 2019 11:28PM
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For me, as a lightweigt (65kg), I actually need to de-loft the tail when using a big wing, which allows me to dock start better and keep up speed. I was having a similar issue to you, where speed wouldn't increase and the foil would stall after 10 or less pumps. Increasing the tail lift only made it worse for me. Give that a shot to see if it helps. By summer without neoprene you should be good to go if you keep training at it. Good exercise!



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