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SUP and surf foil videos

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Created by colas > 9 months ago, 5 May 2017
JB
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30 Mar 2018 2:56PM
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Beasho said..

Piros said..
Another fun day at Byron . .


Great video Piros.

Your stance has me freaked out. I was watching and trying to center my feet. It looks like your front and rear foot are significantly Off-Center line.

I can not fly like that. I get the wobbles. The ball of my front foot has to be dead center. You barely have the tip of your front toe. This snap shot has me thinking your about to crash but you keep on going.



Im the same. It makes such a difference especially when your loaded up to have your feet centered on the center line. With your front foot off, any front foot pressure also turns into rail pressure and will cause the foil to react. Piro seems to have it pretty dialed and you don't see much/any serpenting (snake like foil wiggles), but I have found when people are standing like this, as soon as they correct it, they get a huge advance in their riding.

Conclusion, you're a freak Piros

JB

JB
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31 Mar 2018 6:53AM
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And here's a few good rides from Wednesday's box session. At between 1 and 2 minutes per wave it's hard to make a movie that doesn;t go for too long, so I chopped and cropped. Hope you like it.



Ride safe,

JB

juandesooka
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31 Mar 2018 4:23AM
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nicely done, looks like a super fun wave....perfect for foiling

Gashed
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31 Mar 2018 10:13AM
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Great edit JB! , Loooong rides and lots turns...jelly legs just from viewing

Piros
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31 Mar 2018 2:11PM
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JB said:- Conclusion , Piros you are a freak ....hahaha

For the record after looking at that video , I did fit a front strap only ( to locate my foot ) and yes it felt better and I felt much more comfortable doing bottom a turn then through to a top turn with my foot centered but I ended up stretching my ankle only using one strap , so it's gone again now. But I am more conscious of trying to keep it centered. Can't get the love for straps as I'm constantly moving my feet especially my front foot on bigger waves on the take offs. It's cranking on the Goldie ATM and nailed a few 6 foot bombs on the foil. I'm also riding the smaller foils more now , much more control and sliding the foil in the bottom turn. Check out this shot from the same video paddling for the wave my feet are way forward and then the second shot both shift back as I get on the foil few seconds later.

Nice Video too JB







Piros
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31 Mar 2018 2:45PM
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Have a look at Robert Stehlik from Blue Planet latest video using block mounts front and back to locate his feet. Excellent idea I'll be trying this.

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colas
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31 Mar 2018 3:13PM
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Piros said..
Check out this shot from the same video paddling for the wave my feet are way forward and then the second shot both shift back as I get on the foil few seconds later.


This is because your mast is not at the proper place. With a properly placed mast, you could have the same foot position for paddling and flying. And it is key for using straps without much trouble. But I think I already said that :-)

Piros
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31 Mar 2018 5:45PM
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Colas said: - This is because your mast is not at the proper place. With a properly placed mast, you could have the same foot position for paddling and flying. And it is key for using straps without much trouble. But I think I already said that :-)

So, I have not touched the foil since September. It will use it gladly to escape the summer crowds, but it won't bother me if I was never to foil again.

Respectfully
to you my French foil mate you are now out of the game , so much has happened in the past 6 months. It's a 7-1 board I'm not scratching onto 2 foot rollers but pulling onto 6 foot steep waves. Experience means nothing unless you learn from it and that's what we are all sharing on our Seabreeze videos. Please share any new vision you have. Thanks Rob

colas
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31 Mar 2018 5:33PM
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I would be quite surprised if the physics laws had suddenly changed in 6 months :-) You know: center of gravity, flotation, balance of forces...

And 6 months ago I was already on a 6'10" board, and had my share of 6 foots faces with a foil. Youtube doesn't show all my life :-)

JB
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1 Apr 2018 6:49AM
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PIROS, yes center makes a huge difference. It's probably one of the major things I teach people when they are learning.

Colas, I have played with many mast positions, some even as far (nearly) forward as yours. Whilst you can achieve a neutral balance point, it does hinder certain other aspects of your performance. My stance doesn't change (or at least not very much) between paddling, take off and gliding. I do move my foil further back on bigger and more powerful days and keep it forward on small. I'm not sure why you like you mast where it is, but if you've tried further back and prefer it where it is that's great. But have you?

Anyway, time to go foiling.

JB

Loz79
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1 Apr 2018 4:22PM
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Piros said..
Have a look at Robert Stehlik from Blue Planet latest video using block mounts front and back to locate his feet. Excellent idea I'll be trying this.

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Where do you recommend the rear block?? Just behind the mast or in line with it??

colas
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1 Apr 2018 3:28PM
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I'm not sure why you like you mast where it is, but if you've tried further back and prefer it where it is that's great. But have you?



I moved a lot my straps position, which amounts to the same thing once in the air (where only the distance between your mast and feet counts).
My personal experience is that I ended up having my feet more forward at the end (which would mean having the mast back if you'd rather move your mast than your feet). With experience, you are able to fly faster, and the foil becomes definitively more controllable if you are farther in front of the mast. I must say that I didnt found the rear foot position very important (except in carving turns), the front foot was the critical one.

The advantage of having a mast back for paddling is that the board has less row effect. A more centered mast on short SUPs may require a board with less row, be it with the shape (parallel square rails like the current dedicated foil boards), some small fins, ... Of course you can compensate the row with paddling technique, but it makes your paddling less efficient so it may not be the best solution.

"My stance doesn't change (or at least not very much) between paddling, take off and gliding" -> I guess this means your mast position is at the sweet spot, which was my point. And actually, we seem to have the same feet and foil placement judging by your videos, e.g. the one I just posted on "Show us your foiling setup".

Note also that with straps, you can have a bit more tolerance with the feet position while paddling, as you can compensate by some push/pull rocking motion on the straps, that actually help a lot as a mini-pumping on liftoff on slow "glorified chop" waves.

Piros, I think it would be helpful to others if you described how you strained your ankle with the strap, to prevent them for doing the same?

Piros
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2 Apr 2018 6:03AM
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Loz79 Said Where do you recommend the rear block?? Just behind the mast or in line with it??


Loz I always put it a couple of inches behind

foilSURFmachines
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2 Apr 2018 6:45AM
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Beasho said..





Piros said..
Another fun day at Byron . .






Great video Piros.

Your stance has me freaked out. I was watching and trying to center my feet. It looks like your front and rear foot are significantly Off-Center line.

I can not fly like that. I get the wobbles. The ball of my front foot has to be dead center. You barely have the tip of your front toe. This snap shot has me thinking your about to crash but you keep on going.







Beasho,

I foil with my feet the same as Piros. It's way more stable for me. 4 way stability and control

Could it it be that Piros and I have so many hours kite foiling strapless, it's just natural to us to fly this way?

My front foot moves forward and back as required. It's just natural for strapless kiters to feel free and move our feet. It's the joys and freedom of not being a strap cripple.

Dwight

Piros
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2 Apr 2018 10:38AM
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I thought I was moving my feet more to the centre line , this is a drone shot from 2 days ago. Guess not





Scotty Mac
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3 Apr 2018 10:25PM
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Piros i put a black texter mark on and along the stringer line to help me centre my front foot position quickly and that seems to work. The centre block on the rear foot on the blue planet board work well too. You can feel if your rear foot is centred which is great because you cant easily see where your back foot is placed like the front one.

colas
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11 Apr 2018 3:24PM
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A very interesting foil video. I would never have considered this kind of weak quasi-shorebreak "wave" foilable one can find everywhere. But here Beryl uses the wave only as a launching ramp to then roam around freely... farther out than the peak.

On this session, he rode... 107 waves in 2 hours! That means around 4 waves per takeoff. Of course, it requires an exceptional physical condition (Beryl is not a pro, just a Gong employee at the warehouse, but he surfs a 17 liters shortboard usually. He weights 70kg but has exceptional cardio abilities), and a ton of wave-reading ability from years of surfing. But this may be the future of foiling, far from the long-period swell rolling gently for hundreds of meters we see in most videos and that are not available everywhere.

Gear: 4'6" Gong surf foil board, with the Gong surf/sup foil with the L wing and M stabilizer.



Note that Beryl learned surf foiling (he doesn't SUP) with a 10" mast:

Casso
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11 Apr 2018 6:28PM
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When on holidays...

Piros
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11 Apr 2018 7:05PM
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Nice vid Casso, hey Colas 107 waves in 2 hours that's just over a wave a minute. Must hydraulic fluid in his legs.

colas
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Thursday , 12 Apr 2018 2:18PM
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Nice vid Casso, hey Colas 107 waves in 2 hours that's just over a wave a minute. Must hydraulic fluid in his legs.


And an exceptional hydraulic pump to power them :-)
The fact is that he is the only one of the Gong riders that have the stamina to actually pump his way around as a "normal" part of his session.

I think that this pumping stuff is kind of a double-edged sword. It is what attracts a lot of people into trying to foil, thinking they can replace paddling out by flying out. But it is insanely hard, technically and physically.

Will the net result be positive, like with tuberiding videos attract people to surf, and keep surfing even if most won't be able to tuberide?
Or will the disappointment be a backlash that will keep foiling in a confidential niche?

TrevT
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Sunday , 15 Apr 2018 11:55AM
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Have a look if you haven't already! I tried out a 200m time trial on the foil two weeks ago and it's sooooo much quicker than a race board! beat my own PB by about 11 seconds haha

www.facebook.com/trevsup/videos/1472602336198589/

JB
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Monday , 16 Apr 2018 8:19PM
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colas said..

Piros said..
Nice vid Casso, hey Colas 107 waves in 2 hours that's just over a wave a minute. Must hydraulic fluid in his legs.



And an exceptional hydraulic pump to power them :-)
The fact is that he is the only one of the Gong riders that have the stamina to actually pump his way around as a "normal" part of his session.

I think that this pumping stuff is kind of a double-edged sword. It is what attracts a lot of people into trying to foil, thinking they can replace paddling out by flying out. But it is insanely hard, technically and physically.

Will the net result be positive, like with tuberiding videos attract people to surf, and keep surfing even if most won't be able to tuberide?
Or will the disappointment be a backlash that will keep foiling in a confidential niche?


"But it is insanely hard, technically and physically."

It's not actually that hard. It's more technique (bit like riding without straps ). As you work it all out, pumping becomes something that you don;t even think about. While I am far from excellent at it, I can usually link up at least 3 waves on a decent session for each paddle in, on a good day I am linking 5 or 6 waves. I am 95kg, so not a light weight. What has been amazing for me is every time I get a light bulb moment in technique, not only do you get a turbo boost, but it's actually easier. Everyone thinks it's legs, but it's not. I constantly have to critique my technique, if I find I'm buggered after a 2 wave link, then I know I'm doing it wrong.

Foiling is all about balance, control, synergy and flow. When you learn not to force your foil, but to work with it, amazing things happen.

Loose the straps, learn to become one with your ride. Get granular and understand changes you make. Trim and flow like you're connected to your gear. When something doesn't work, then somethings not working in synergy.

Ride safe,

JB

JB
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Monday , 16 Apr 2018 8:23PM
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In the interest of the heading of this thread, here's a foiling vid from the weekend, wind foiling in way too much wind. I nearly lost my GoPro taking a stack. But here is 5 - 35kn on wind foil. A little scary.



Ride safe,

JB

JB
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 6:12AM
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I love going back to this video. Although it is a little old now, his points about pumping are invaluable.

Unweighting and let the foil come up underneath you. It's more in the core and upper body. As everything reconnects at the top, let gravity and a forward movement glide you down, compressing and preparing for another unweighting.



Ride safe,

JB

Beasho
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 9:22AM
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How did we miss this one? Trevor Tunnington in Noosa.

Surf-Foiling Overhead waves for a change:

Piros
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 6:20PM
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Hell yeah how did we miss this one and how is the pump back out on a Kai

JB cool video mate have to give that a go looks epic.

Piros
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 7:22PM
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Nice video of the Takuma boys

www.facebook.com/TakumaConcept/videos/789578291235638/

RJK
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 7:23PM
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Piros
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 8:18PM
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Never seen one but these Armstrong foils look so good , the vision just tells the story so efficent . The build quality is amazing check it out here www.armstrongfoils.com/carving-freeride-1600-dws/ .

Double the price of a Naish or a GoFoil but they look so good , might have to sell one of my kids.

DavidJohn
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Tuesday , 17 Apr 2018 11:03PM
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