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Created by colas > 9 months ago, 5 May 2017
blueplanetsurf
158 posts
22 Apr 2018 2:06AM
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We made this video to promote foiling safety, please watch!
Thank you to the Watermen and foiling pioneers who shared their knowledge in this video we recently shot to help keep people from hurting themselves or others when foiling. It's a long one but if you want to get into foiling, this should be mandatory. In this video: Leleo Kinimaka, Kalani Vierra, Sam Pa'e, Edmund Pestana, Todd Bradley, Reid Inouye, Rex Shinmon, Robert Stehlik

colas
2766 posts
22 Apr 2018 12:43PM
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I have only started to watch it, but thanks for this great video (and thanks to all the involed people).
I guess making 1h20 of quality video like this is quite a lot of work!

austin 7
WA, 28 posts
22 Apr 2018 11:25PM
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Thanks for this. A lot more than safety
Glad I watched it all.

RAL INN
VIC, 2565 posts
24 Apr 2018 8:18AM
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Casso
NSW, 3474 posts
27 Apr 2018 7:44PM
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colas
2766 posts
28 Apr 2018 4:13PM
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Nice funky vid, Casso!

If I may give a bit of armchair advice, it seems to me that your front foot is not forward enough. It looks like the angle of attack of the foil wing is thus too high, causing a lot of drag, you seem to be losing speed in stationary flight and have to resort to pumping or paddling too often.

It may be a vicious circle: The high angle of attack creates drag, slows you down, thus decrease lift, and you feel you have to augment the angle of attack more to compensate. When I first experimented moving my foot more forward, I expected that I would get down on the water, but the added speed actually provided enough additional lift to sustain flight.

In a nutshell, try to aim for speed rather than lift.

Casso
NSW, 3474 posts
30 Apr 2018 11:18PM
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colas said..
Nice funky vid, Casso!

If I may give a bit of armchair advice, it seems to me that your front foot is not forward enough. It looks like the angle of attack of the foil wing is thus too high, causing a lot of drag, you seem to be losing speed in stationary flight and have to resort to pumping or paddling too often.

It may be a vicious circle: The high angle of attack creates drag, slows you down, thus decrease lift, and you feel you have to augment the angle of attack more to compensate. When I first experimented moving my foot more forward, I expected that I would get down on the water, but the added speed actually provided enough additional lift to sustain flight.

In a nutshell, try to aim for speed rather than lift.

Thanks for the tip Colas - I'll definitely give that a try.

Beasho
102 posts
1 May 2018 10:19AM
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Jeff Clark taking off on a sizable wave:

alverstone
WA, 470 posts
1 May 2018 1:36PM
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Cottesloe, WA, a fortnight ago (No me).










Seajuice
NSW, 200 posts
5 May 2018 9:59AM
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Great video from blueplanet. Good discussion points too.
The first time I dropped down a wave with a foil was like getting rolled in a steel cage under water. Couldn't get the foil away from me. Luckily just a couple of small bruises & cut finger. But it could have been much worse. Actually put a small bend in the tail of my mates Naish Thrust fuselarge.
So I too would recommend helmet, impact or bouyancy vest which is what I wear now.
Great discussion on surf etiquette. Just shows there are people in every surfing community who cannot see past the end of their noses.
I like to try & be safe to myself & others. But even then I have had some close calls.
Another thing I cannot understand is why surfers & that is SUPs & short boarders paddle out directly in the line of fire to those wanting to catch a wave. I can only put it to them not wanting to paddle that little extra distance to go around to the side where the waves are not breaking at all which is easy for a SUP or into the white wash which is easier for a short boarder to duck dive. But most just rely on you to turn out of their way after you drop down a wave. Very frustrating in my experience & a lot of missed good waves because of it. I feel like yelling at them, "Get out of my f@#$ng way!!" Understanding that on some beaches it isn't always possible. But on most point breaks & deeper water breaks like off entrances & breakwalls it is.
Just wondering if any of you experience the same. And with the advent of foiling it just may posses a bigger risk & frustration.

JB
NSW, 1895 posts
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10 May 2018 6:46PM
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Another epic session at the "secret spot".

Heaps of footage to come.

Drone my Jezza - Jeremy Corne Photography

Enjoy,



Ride safe,

JB

Seajuice
NSW, 200 posts
10 May 2018 8:54PM
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Nice! Very nice.

JB
NSW, 1895 posts
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10 May 2018 9:13PM
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Another glide,



Enjoy,

JB

SUPbru
359 posts
11 May 2018 2:15AM
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Turns are looking smooth JB

Beasho
102 posts
11 May 2018 4:34AM
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SUP'ing and Foiling inside Mavericks, California with Jeff Clark, Haley Fiske (Pioneer of SUP at Mavericks) and my daughter Ruby who I am encouraging into bigger waves.

The spot is called Mushroom rock easiest to get to bicycle. All paddle Cam footage from earlier this winter.

&t=2s

Casso
NSW, 3474 posts
11 May 2018 10:32PM
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A few waves in here of some of the Sunova foil crew...

JB
NSW, 1895 posts
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12 May 2018 5:52AM
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Great paddle cam of one of my turns by Jezza. Thanks mate



JB

Piros
QLD, 5233 posts
12 May 2018 12:46PM
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Remember Ivan Van Vuuren, co founder of Coreban Sups. This is own Sup & Surf Signature foil range really good looking gear.

JB
NSW, 1895 posts
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16 May 2018 9:05PM
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Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB

DavidJohn
VIC, 16014 posts
16 May 2018 10:27PM
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JB said..
Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB


Wow... a 650 meter ride.. ??

AlexF
122 posts
16 May 2018 10:30PM
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JB said..
Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB


What's the size of the Thrust XL?

JB
NSW, 1895 posts
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17 May 2018 6:28AM
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AlexF said..

JB said..
Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB



What's the size of the Thrust XL?


Alex,

It's about 20% bigger then the Large. I can correct my figures when I get to work, but from memory (not the most reliable) the area is about 1540cm2 (the L is 1236cm2) with a wingspan of approx. 85cm (the L is 66.24cm2). It has a higher aspect ratio then both the M & L and is a lifting machine.

On this day riding, I changed back the large after 2 hours of riding and rode for an additional 2 hours with the Large. Differences were,

Top speed on the XL is around 28-30kmph on an average run, I have maxed it out at 36kmph but only a few times.
Top speed on the L I don't believe I've reached/recorded. On this day I was consistently reaching 39 - 40.5kmph.

Turning. The L is far more agile for turns, especially at speed. The difference is bigger then going from he M to the L in maneuverability.

Low speed glide and lift. The XL is rediculous, you can ride at such a slow speed and stay high without pumping, it's amazing.

There is no way (or with tones of pumping) I would have been able to do this run (on the video) on the Large, this wave ended up tiny.

Pump outs or linkups are incredible on the XL.

My best run on this same day was on the Large, at 958m long and 40.4kmph.

It is important to understand that all the wings are different and have different characteristics. There is days when the XL will dominate and 100% be the wing of choice, and others were the Medium will be mind blowing. This is why the interchangeability of the Thrust system is so awesome. I envisage in time, your average foiler will at least own two if not 3 front wings in different sizes.

Enjoy,

Ride safe,

JB

JB
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17 May 2018 6:44AM
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DavidJohn said..

JB said..
Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB



Wow... a 650 meter ride.. ??


Hey DJ,

This is only a short glide, here is my stats from that day.


And wave by wave (can't export in a decent way,

1. 29.7kmh, 467.5m @136sec. (on the XL)
2. 29.7kmh, 679.3m @ 216sec. (on the XL)
3. 33.0kmh, 472.0m @82sec. (on the XL)
4. 34.6kmh, 958.3m @ 271sec (on the XL)
5. 32.2kmh, 428.9m @ 84sec (on the XL)
6. 30.4kmh, 283.6m @51sec (on the XL)
7. 27.9kmh, 650.3m @129sec (on the XL)
8. 35.2kmh, 753.5m @116sec (on the XL)
9. 33.6kmh, 455.8m @88sec (on the XL)
10. 35.0kmh, 141.3m @22sec (on the L)
11. 36.4kmh, 201.6m @39sec (on the L)
12. 14.0kmh, 21.6m @9sec (on the L)
13. 39.5kmh, 835m @131sec (on the L)
14. 39.5kmh, 879.6m @126sec (on the L)
15. 40.2kmh, 584.5kmh @ 122sec (on the L)
16. 38.0kmh, 459.9m @79sec (on the L)
17. 13.3kmh, 16.1m @ 7sec (on the L)
18. 40.4m, 877.1m @ 119sec (on the L)

What you can see here is that on the L I can make the fast sections, and when I do I get crazy rides, but if I do not make the section the wave peaters out and the ride is average. On the XL, just about every ride is above average, but I could not make the sections, so always playing on the smaller reforming part of the wave. Just different styles and types of gliding.

I hope this helps explain the differences.

Ride safe,

JB

gspotxtreme
WA, 81 posts
17 May 2018 8:05AM
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A couple of videos to show foiling is alive and kicking in the Mid West. The first one is a recent trip up the road to try out the GoFoil Nalu 90cm (their smallest wing) and 7'4 Starboard Hypernut. The second one is a few waves around Geraldton during Cyclone Marcus a month ago on a GoFoil Kai. Please excuse the poor quality footage. Thanks, Tim.

Piros
QLD, 5233 posts
17 May 2018 6:42PM
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JB said..

DavidJohn said..


JB said..
Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB




Wow... a 650 meter ride.. ??



Hey DJ,

This is only a short glide, here is my stats from that day.


And wave by wave (can't export in a decent way,

1. 29.7kmh, 467.5m @136sec. (on the XL)
2. 29.7kmh, 679.3m @ 216sec. (on the XL)
3. 33.0kmh, 472.0m @82sec. (on the XL)
4. 34.6kmh, 958.3m @ 271sec (on the XL)
5. 32.2kmh, 428.9m @ 84sec (on the XL)
6. 30.4kmh, 283.6m @51sec (on the XL)
7. 27.9kmh, 650.3m @129sec (on the XL)
8. 35.2kmh, 753.5m @116sec (on the XL)
9. 33.6kmh, 455.8m @88sec (on the XL)
10. 35.0kmh, 141.3m @22sec (on the L)
11. 36.4kmh, 201.6m @39sec (on the L)
12. 14.0kmh, 21.6m @9sec (on the L)
13. 39.5kmh, 835m @131sec (on the L)
14. 39.5kmh, 879.6m @126sec (on the L)
15. 40.2kmh, 584.5kmh @ 122sec (on the L)
16. 38.0kmh, 459.9m @79sec (on the L)
17. 13.3kmh, 16.1m @ 7sec (on the L)
18. 40.4m, 877.1m @ 119sec (on the L)

What you can see here is that on the L I can make the fast sections, and when I do I get crazy rides, but if I do not make the section the wave peaters out and the ride is average. On the XL, just about every ride is above average, but I could not make the sections, so always playing on the smaller reforming part of the wave. Just different styles and types of gliding.

I hope this helps explain the differences.

Ride safe,

JB


Impressive JB what watch is that .

Nice rides Gspot

JB
NSW, 1895 posts
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17 May 2018 7:24PM
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Piros said..

JB said..


DavidJohn said..



JB said..
Here's a fun glide I had last week on the Thrust Surf XL and Hover surf 120.

Enjoy,



JB





Wow... a 650 meter ride.. ??




Hey DJ,

This is only a short glide, here is my stats from that day.


And wave by wave (can't export in a decent way,

1. 29.7kmh, 467.5m @136sec. (on the XL)
2. 29.7kmh, 679.3m @ 216sec. (on the XL)
3. 33.0kmh, 472.0m @82sec. (on the XL)
4. 34.6kmh, 958.3m @ 271sec (on the XL)
5. 32.2kmh, 428.9m @ 84sec (on the XL)
6. 30.4kmh, 283.6m @51sec (on the XL)
7. 27.9kmh, 650.3m @129sec (on the XL)
8. 35.2kmh, 753.5m @116sec (on the XL)
9. 33.6kmh, 455.8m @88sec (on the XL)
10. 35.0kmh, 141.3m @22sec (on the L)
11. 36.4kmh, 201.6m @39sec (on the L)
12. 14.0kmh, 21.6m @9sec (on the L)
13. 39.5kmh, 835m @131sec (on the L)
14. 39.5kmh, 879.6m @126sec (on the L)
15. 40.2kmh, 584.5kmh @ 122sec (on the L)
16. 38.0kmh, 459.9m @79sec (on the L)
17. 13.3kmh, 16.1m @ 7sec (on the L)
18. 40.4m, 877.1m @ 119sec (on the L)

What you can see here is that on the L I can make the fast sections, and when I do I get crazy rides, but if I do not make the section the wave peaters out and the ride is average. On the XL, just about every ride is above average, but I could not make the sections, so always playing on the smaller reforming part of the wave. Just different styles and types of gliding.

I hope this helps explain the differences.

Ride safe,

JB



Impressive JB what watch is that .

Nice rides Gspot


Hey Piros,

Not a watch, my iPhone. The app is called "Surf Track". It's pretty impressive with all the information it gives you. Uses the iPhone GPS and has heaps of stats.

Piros
QLD, 5233 posts
17 May 2018 7:58PM
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Some mega runs in there mate. I'll be downloading that app heaps more accurate than the watches . Thanks for the heads up .

Piros
QLD, 5233 posts
17 May 2018 8:09PM
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Hey JB where and how do you carry your phone .

Casso
NSW, 3474 posts
17 May 2018 9:34PM
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Got buzzed by a shag today

Beasho
102 posts
17 May 2018 9:51PM
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Piros said..
Hey JB where and how do you carry your phone .


Yes - Curious Minds want to know. How do you rig up the iPhone?

I have loved my TRACE but have been having 'issues' lately. 1st one: Battery dies in 45 minutes. Missed the best ride ever on a foil (I estimate 650 meters). 2nd Trace: Gifted by PonoBill. I strip all the data down and find it SKIPS 3 Minutes for every 10 it records - WTF! Who does this type of thing. I literally had to tear open all the data and put a filter line by line to see the missed records. Where it stopped and started. Total BS. This iPhone thing could be a game changer. Especially if it works with the watch. Then it may become my new best piece of surfing equipment.

PS: I know that the ride was > 600 meters because it was far longer than the ride below, which was my "Best Ever" having taken off on the inside of Mavericks. Call it the 3rd bowl. Slingshot in on a 9 - 10 foot face and then fly between the rocks into the inner lagoon. Impossible on any other type of surf craft. This was the short ride. The longer ride I had to cut deeper through the rocks but extended nearly to the beach.

The summary below is from the 1st TRACE, with better data, before the battery died and it missed the longest ride. Then I put on the 2nd TRACE, tuck the 1st in my wetsuit, and take my chances missing 40% of the waves.





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