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sandy crack
sandy crack
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28 Dec 2008 9:30am
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24848177-12377,00.html
aussiewahine
aussiewahine
QLD
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28 Dec 2008 8:38am
And another fatal attack in Perth on the same day...

www.couriermail.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=114983
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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28 Dec 2008 1:24pm
If someone ( in his own environment) with a cricket bat belts someone else over the head and kills them the family rightfully calls for him to be jailed.
If a dog ( in its own environment)is running wild and biting people they take it down the pound and shoot it.
If a murderous shark is eating people the cry is "don't kill it, it is in its own environment"
If that bastard of a thing swims around the bay and eats a child now how do the shark apologists feel then.
I don't advocate decimating the shark population, but if they eat people they should be dispatched.
I would like to shove a shark down the pants of the next idiot I hear that says sharks don't really like eating people. They seem to do it on a fairly regular basis.
Hausey
Hausey
NSW
325 posts
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28 Dec 2008 4:49pm
elbeau said...

If someone ( in his own environment) with a cricket bat belts someone else over the head and kills them the family rightfully calls for him to be jailed.
If a dog ( in its own environment)is running wild and biting people they take it down the pound and shoot it.
If a murderous shark is eating people the cry is "don't kill it, it is in its own environment"
If that bastard of a thing swims around the bay and eats a child now how do the shark apologists feel then.
I don't advocate decimating the shark population, but if they eat people they should be dispatched.
I would like to shove a shark down the pants of the next idiot I hear that says sharks don't really like eating people. They seem to do it on a fairly regular basis.



Humans kill 100 000's of sharks a year - we are predominantly land based creatures (our environment).

We go in the ocean (the sharks environment) for recreation ie. fun with the occasional bit of work..... and a few people around the world die a year from shark attacks. If sharks had the mentality of you elbeau - they would bite a lot more - and really be murderous sharks!

Sharks and most of the creatures on the planet have lived in check with each other for millions of years, there has been pretty much a balance or equilibrium. We have broken that.

Humans in the last couple of hundred years have become a threat to themselves and everything else on the planet by over breeding and over consuming.... so much so that we could wipe out most of what's here due to global warming.....

Go see "Sharkwater" - it might open your mind - to the real nature of sharks!

elbeau
elbeau
WA
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28 Dec 2008 4:24pm
Hausey said...

elbeau said...

If someone ( in his own environment) with a cricket bat belts someone else over the head and kills them the family rightfully calls for him to be jailed.
If a dog ( in its own environment)is running wild and biting people they take it down the pound and shoot it.
If a murderous shark is eating people the cry is "don't kill it, it is in its own environment"
If that bastard of a thing swims around the bay and eats a child now how do the shark apologists feel then.
I don't advocate decimating the shark population, but if they eat people they should be dispatched.
I would like to shove a shark down the pants of the next idiot I hear that says sharks don't really like eating people. They seem to do it on a fairly regular basis.



Humans kill 100 000's of sharks a year - we are predominantly land based creatures (our environment).

We go in the ocean (the sharks environment) for recreation ie. fun with the occasional bit of work..... and a few people around the world die a year from shark attacks. If sharks had the mentality of you elbeau - they would bite a lot more - and really be murderous sharks!

Sharks and most of the creatures on the planet have lived in check with each other for millions of years, there has been pretty much a balance or equilibrium. We have broken that.

Humans in the last couple of hundred years have become a threat to themselves and everything else on the planet by over breeding and over consuming.... so much so that we could wipe out most of what's here due to global warming.....

Go see "Sharkwater" - it might open your mind - to the real nature of sharks!




Here we go. The usual claptrap about how man is so stupid and what a bad job we are doing. Yes the worlds population has doubled since 1950. Food production has quadrupled since 1950. There are less people starving per capita now than then. Global warming is acknowledged to be a NATURAL phenomena by many reputable scientists and the true nature of sharks is to eat just about anything they can get their murderous jaws around.
I did not say decimate them. Just get rid of the ones that come into the local beach and try to EAT my F%$#@ children.
You deserve a shark down your pants
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
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28 Dec 2008 6:19pm
Elbeu Im hearing you brother, I been spending time in the ocean for 25 yrs and respect all ocean going beasts, But white pointers are territorial things and test out stuff with there mouth, I dont beleive in killing all sharks and going crazy... But if a great white is stalking a popular swimming beach , get it out of there Im sick of all the airy fairy crap about great whites, there not a koala bear there a friggen killing machine
Hausey
Hausey
NSW
325 posts
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28 Dec 2008 9:30pm
elbeau said...





You deserve a shark down your pants


Thanks mate - it might impress the ladies!
ChrisMcC
ChrisMcC
NSW
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28 Dec 2008 10:33pm
I would prefer an electric eel myself
Ben dover
Ben dover
QLD
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28 Dec 2008 9:36pm
Just Wrong said...

I would prefer an electric eel myself


Yer instead of ur little earth worm aye....
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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28 Dec 2008 9:44pm
Brooko said...

Elbeu Im hearing you brother, I been spending time in the ocean for 25 yrs and respect all ocean going beasts, But white pointers are territorial things and test out stuff with there mouth, I dont beleive in killing all sharks and going crazy... But if a great white is stalking a popular swimming beach , get it out of there Im sick of all the airy fairy crap about great whites, there not a koala bear there a friggen killing machine


Good on you Brooko
I sometimes feel like I'm the only sane man left in the village.
What happened to our duty of care? To our children, to our neighbors.
I was informed once by a shark expert? that sharks are like a dog that finds a chicken under a tree.
It won't hang around the tree all the time but next time it passes the tree it will drop in and check it out.
It is quite feasible the shark that took the diver at Port Kennedy is the same one that took Ken Crews a while back.
A bit of common sense for Gods sake.
If it was a bear,a snake a lion, and it was killing our loved ones we would do something about it.
Saying "shoo shark"doesn't cut it.

Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
1722 posts
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28 Dec 2008 11:57pm
p.s. We got to swin with the dolphins today at Point Leo. Was so good! I saw a couple of fins and **** myself but then realised they were dolphins. I slapped the water and they showed some interest so I dived in and hung out with them for a couple minutes. Even my wife dived in. Seriously one of the gresatest moments of my life!!!!!!!
Hausey
Hausey
NSW
325 posts
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29 Dec 2008 12:56am
It is quite possible that the great white, is like a dog that likes chickens and is the same shark that killed whoever where ever - it should be hunted down and murdered and your children will be safe....

Yeh and global warming is a myth - a purely cyclical trend - John Howard said so, as did another scientist who said the carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere is fine - it will counterbalance the oxygen we breathe in....

lol ..... Right on brothers!

Swimming with dolphins really is magic!
stuey c
stuey c
QLD
265 posts
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29 Dec 2008 12:22am
I'm with Elbeau, Brooko and Bnaccas, hunt down and kill the "rouges". By the way, as far as keeping the balance goes, man didn't seem to have too many issues with wiping out smallpox and it was part of the natural environment!!!! Just a thought.........
Toadwhispera
Toadwhispera
QLD
223 posts
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29 Dec 2008 1:02am
Go the Sharks !!
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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29 Dec 2008 12:53am
Hausey said...

It is quite possible that the great white, is like a dog that likes chickens and is the same shark that killed whoever where ever - it should be hunted down and murdered and your children will be safe....

Yeh and global warming is a myth - a purely cyclical trend - John Howard said so, as did another scientist who said the carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere is fine - it will counterbalance the oxygen we breathe in....

lol ..... Right on brothers!

Swimming with dolphins really is magic!


Sarcasm. The tool of the feeble minded and the simple
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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29 Dec 2008 1:53am
stuey c said...

I'm with Elbeau, Brooko and Bnaccas, hunt down and kill the "rouges". By the way, as far as keeping the balance goes, man didn't seem to have too many issues with wiping out smallpox and it was part of the natural environment!!!! Just a thought.........


Great point Stuey
Just because it is "natural" doesn't make it right
Snake venom, oleander bushes, asbestos, uranium 238, smallpox are just some negative examples
Toadwhispera
Toadwhispera
QLD
223 posts
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29 Dec 2008 8:37am

Elbeau

Sounds like your living in fear maybe you should take up bingo or and wrap your kids up in cotton wool and stay at home.

sarcassm is all your feeble minded post deserved ! Narrow minded , red neck , Ill informed!
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
1722 posts
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29 Dec 2008 10:49am
Hunt the whites that attack humans down. Just like we hunt our own if someone is murdered, or a dog if it attacks someone. I'm sure whites probably don't want to eat humans but they are calculated killers with bad math skills.

I wonder how we would treat sharks if it were possible to train and tame them. Like tigers/lions etc. We would have these nice cute ones at seaworld that you can pat but in the wild they would still be killers. Would we treat them any different? Just curious.

The rules for tigers/bears/sharks are probably the same. A protected species until they kill someone. Then that particular animal is hunted down.
laurie
laurie
QLD
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29 Dec 2008 11:25am
Toadwhispera said...
sarcassm is all your feeble minded post deserved ! Narrow minded , red neck , Ill informed!




It's tempting to start character assasinating if someones viewpoint is different to yours, but is it getting them closer to understanding your point of view, or further from it?
Toadwhispera
Toadwhispera
QLD
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29 Dec 2008 11:34am
Bnaccas said...

Hunt the whites that attack humans down. Just like we hunt our own if someone is murdered, .

Capitol punishment doesn't exist in this country!!

Drink drivers that kill innocent people I concider murderers and more often than not get off scott free.
Did you know statistics show that more people are killed by falling coconuts than sharks.
I think being in the wrong place at the wrong time be it standing under a coconut tree when that nut drops ,behind the wheel when a drink driver crosses the medium strip,standing on the corner when a drive by takes place, swimming in the ocean when a hungry shark comes in, is all part of fate a destiny. to fear it is to fear life, if you don't want to be attacked by a shark maybe you should not swim in the ocean because if you do your cutting down the odds.

There are people who think this world is all for them and would happilly kill off any threat from other predators so they can walk this land of theirs without fear, these people I despise. look back in history what we have done to wolves and the big cats , hysteria!! when what we should be fearing most is our own.

Sharks dont "murder" humans murder . "Murderous Jaws" total sensationalism.
Toadwhispera
Toadwhispera
QLD
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29 Dec 2008 11:41am
laurie said...

Toadwhispera said...
sarcassm is all your feeble minded post deserved ! Narrow minded , red neck , Ill informed!




It's tempting to start character assasinating if someones viewpoint is different to yours, but is it getting them closer to understanding your point of view, or further from it?


I'm sorry Laurie I was just sticking up for Hausey and do reget those strong words and if you like you can delete them. you are totally correct in what you say

I've said my piece and thats all from me!

Brooko
Brooko
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29 Dec 2008 11:31am
Look the fact of the matter is that there are some bad a** rouge sharks out there, just like people. I dont think for a minute anyone on here is being a "redneck" and saying kill all great whites, thats just being stupid, but I do beleive there is great whites that are very aggresive and will smash anything and these ones dont belong anywhere near popular surfing & swimming beachs.

At the moment 90% of my surfing is 4oom away from vics largest permanent seal colony, with very frequent white sightings, and a lot of the time I am on my own or with one other person So I dont want no bad shark karma (i also DONT want to be eaten by a shark, for the record) But when vic hislop was around in the early 90s culling inshore rouge white pointers, attacks nearly dropped off.

If one is caught red handed as the one that took ken crew, cull the friggen thing!!
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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29 Dec 2008 1:40pm
Toadwhispera said...

Bnaccas said...

Hunt the whites that attack humans down. Just like we hunt our own if someone is murdered, .

Capitol punishment doesn't exist in this country!!

Drink drivers that kill innocent people I concider murderers and more often than not get off scott free.
Did you know statistics show that more people are killed by falling coconuts than sharks.
I think being in the wrong place at the wrong time be it standing under a coconut tree when that nut drops ,behind the wheel when a drink driver crosses the medium strip,standing on the corner when a drive by takes place, swimming in the ocean when a hungry shark comes in, is all part of fate a destiny. to fear it is to fear life, if you don't want to be attacked by a shark maybe you should not swim in the ocean because if you do your cutting down the odds.

There are people who think this world is all for them and would happilly kill off any threat from other predators so they can walk this land of theirs without fear, these people I despise. look back in history what we have done to wolves and the big cats , hysteria!! when what we should be fearing most is our own.

Sharks dont "murder" humans murder . "Murderous Jaws" total sensationalism.



You appear to be a fatalist and I'm inclined to agree with you. There are many that have the view that when your number is up that is it. I"m also a realist though and feel sure that you can shorten the odds dramatically if you practice high risk behaviours. If we had dispatched every shark that had killed someone in the last twenty years in Australia we would have disposed of about twenty sharks. Hardly decimating the shark population but responsibly dealing with a murderous threat. One definition of murder is to kill brutally or inhumanely.
Toadwhispera
Toadwhispera
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29 Dec 2008 3:05pm

Brooko

I don't want you to be eaten by a shark cause even though we have never met I think of you as a mate! and it takes a lot of nerve and good karma to surf along side a seal colony in Victoria

Elbeau

I'm sorry I got a bit carried away in one of my previous posts
Lobes
Lobes
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29 Dec 2008 3:53pm
Here we go. The usual claptrap about how man is so stupid and what a bad job we are doing. Yes the worlds population has doubled since 1950. Food production has quadrupled since 1950. There are less people starving per capita now than then. Global warming is acknowledged to be a NATURAL phenomena by many reputable scientists and the true nature of sharks is to eat just about anything they can get their murderous jaws around.
I did not say decimate them. Just get rid of the ones that come into the local beach and try to EAT my F%$#@ children.
You deserve a shark down your pants


Elbeau I almost was taking you seriously until you started ranting about Global Warming and worldwide food production. For sure if there is a rogue shark that is habitually approaching/attacking humans then I advocate measures to deal with that shark. But trying to then turn it into a general rant about GW and the green revolution makes you sound like a crank. And not a very smart one at that.

1) The amount of reputable scientists who believe GW is a natural phenomena is outnumbered approx 10-1 by scientists who believe it is anthropogenic in origin.

2) 1950 was indeed about the start of the green revolution. But did you know this massive increase in crop yields was facilitated mostly by use of fossil fuels to use in agricultural industry (tractors etc) and fertiliser production (synthesising anhydrous ammonia out of natural gas). Once those fossil fuels run out (something that is even more certain than anthropogenic GW) humanity will have to find something else to power the tractors and make the fertiliser. So before you crown yourself genius try and take a look at the big picture Elbeau.
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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29 Dec 2008 4:30pm
Lobes said...

Here we go. The usual claptrap about how man is so stupid and what a bad job we are doing. Yes the worlds population has doubled since 1950. Food production has quadrupled since 1950. There are less people starving per capita now than then. Global warming is acknowledged to be a NATURAL phenomena by many reputable scientists and the true nature of sharks is to eat just about anything they can get their murderous jaws around.
I did not say decimate them. Just get rid of the ones that come into the local beach and try to EAT my F%$#@ children.
You deserve a shark down your pants


Elbeau I almost was taking you seriously until you started ranting about Global Warming and worldwide food production. For sure if there is a rogue shark that is habitually approaching/attacking humans then I advocate measures to deal with that shark. But trying to then turn it into a general rant about GW and the green revolution makes you sound like a crank. And not a very smart one at that.

1) The amount of reputable scientists who believe GW is a natural phenomena is outnumbered approx 10-1 by scientists who believe it is anthropogenic in origin.

2) 1950 was indeed about the start of the green revolution. But did you know this massive increase in crop yields was facilitated mostly by use of fossil fuels to use in agricultural industry (tractors etc) and fertiliser production (synthesising anhydrous ammonia out of natural gas). Once those fossil fuels run out (something that is even more certain than anthropogenic GW) humanity will have to find something else to power the tractors and make the fertiliser. So before you crown yourself genius try and take a look at the big picture Elbeau.


The comment about global warming was in reply to a post by another sea breezer.
I have a copy of the An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore and have done a fair amount of personal study on global warming. I fail to be convinced that it is entirely caused by the actions of man and find there are many reputable scientists who share my doubts. I realy dont think debating global warming on seabreeeze will achieve much at all. I have stated my view and will let it stand at that.
I have little doubt that man will find an alternate source of power for his tractors.
Unlike some, I have a very positive view regarding mans ingenuity and abilty to meet challenges and to overcome them. This is not blind faith, already, alternate forms of power are being used more and more around the world.
I have said my piece and will finish with this
elbeau
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WA
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29 Dec 2008 4:34pm
Toadwhispera said...


Brooko

I don't want you to be eaten by a shark cause even though we have never met I think of you as a mate! and it takes a lot of nerve and good karma to surf along side a seal colony in Victoria

Elbeau

I'm sorry I got a bit carried away in one of my previous posts


No probs toad. You are obviously passionate about your view.
As you should be if you firmly believe in something
bownes
bownes
122 posts
122 posts
29 Dec 2008 4:40pm
Save the whales.... Kill a great white.

Tell the Japs how good a Great White tastes... end of problem
Brooko
Brooko
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29 Dec 2008 4:48pm
Toad, thanks mate Likewise.

I must say though I also agree with Elbeu about the global warming issue as well

Im thinking he has similar veiws to me on things and Im backing him
Brooko
Brooko
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1672 posts
29 Dec 2008 4:49pm
bownes said...

Save the whales.... Kill a great white.

Tell the Japs how good a Great White tastes... end of problem


Welcome bowes... classic mate , haha
rogerthecat
rogerthecat
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188 posts
29 Dec 2008 7:24pm
Just when I am sitting here in a freezing UK winter and wishing I was somewhere warm, this post pops up.

Think I'll stick to 5mm neoprene and take my chances with the turds & tampons.
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