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Surfrod66
Surfrod66
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19 May 2010 4:44pm
It seams to me that most of the comps being run are being run in conjunction with Mal clubs or long running Mal Comps..I noticed that the last comp for Byron was advertised boards no shorter than 9". Mal comps went to this 9' lengths years ago because someone on an 8' or 7'6 was going to win every time so it became 9'. Now we have guys riding every thing from 7'11 to 10'6 in the same heat..At Noosa in the final every board was under 9'. Should we try to find a way to make a level playing field before surfing Aust or some other governing (someone who does not paddle) decides for us that its 9'.
We have the advantage of Volume on most production boards So if you were allowed to ride your body weight plus 30ltrs as a min size would that make it a level playing field..IE I am 80kgs so the smallest board I can ride in a comp is 110 lts (Naish 8'10, Jimmy lewis 9'1) and some one who is 100kgs can ride a 130ltr board or will Surfing Aust just decide that its 9' in which case someone who is 95kgs can drive the board much harder than someone 68kgs. At the moment if you can stand on it, you can surf it and you do not even have a min amout of time you have to stand during a heat, So can i paddle out on my gut and then just stand up at the last minute to paddle on then rip it up on a very short board..
Bet this topic opens up a can of worns!!! State titles coming up..
hilly
hilly
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19 May 2010 2:48pm
Reckon it should be weight; so everyone weights in and has to add weight to be the same weight as the heaviest rider and board. Could use pies to add the weight aye Doggie

That way I would have some chance
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
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19 May 2010 5:06pm
These boards aren't mals. I rekon anything should go, just like the WCT. You ride what you can perform best on.

But I agree you should have to stand on your board most of the time while waiting for waves. That way board
size compared to competitor size will become more level. Little guy on little board, big guy on slightly bigger board,
all relative to the riders weight and ability to throw it around.
aus301
aus301
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19 May 2010 5:10pm
Why place limits on size??? Why are we looking at what the Mal clubs do??

Just let anyone ride what they ride best, there are examples of guys on bigger long board style SUP's winning over short board style and visa versa. If there was to be a classification maybe some way of differentiating between short board style vs long board style, maybe minimum nose and tail width for long board.
doggie
doggie
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19 May 2010 3:28pm
aus301 said...

Why place limits on size??? Why are we looking at what the Mal clubs do??

Just let anyone ride what they ride best, there are examples of guys on bigger long board style SUP's winning over short board style and visa versa. If there was to be a classification maybe some way of differentiating between short board style vs long board style, maybe minimum nose and tail width for long board.


Because dog man on the green hornet would smash anyone on a 9ft board
Surfrod66
Surfrod66
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19 May 2010 6:10pm
Hilly is right on the money everyone should eat PIES until they weight 100kg then all would be equal.
Keahi
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19 May 2010 6:11pm
Why limit something that doesn't need to limited. Fair enough they limited mals to 9ft, it has to be a mal and you can't call boards smaller then 9ft a true mal. If you limited size, it would just mean bigger people would have an advantage because of there weight. Me riding an 8ft board is just like a bigger guy riding a 9ft board because they have the weight to throw it around. There really is no point to limit it unless you want to stop the progression of SUP and give someone an advantage.

Keahi
supbelly
supbelly
WA
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19 May 2010 4:21pm
Im thinking there should just be two sections to SUP competitions, one short board style and one long board style.. Would save the argueing thats for sure..

Belly
Kagey
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19 May 2010 4:27pm
I reckon it'll end up in a shortboard and longboard divison too at some point. I don't hold an opinion of whether that's right or wrong, I just think that's how its going to end up.
tha dogman
tha dogman
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19 May 2010 6:31pm
hilly said...

Reckon it should be weight; so everyone weights in and has to add weight to be the same weight as the heaviest rider and board. Could use pies to add the weight aye Doggie

That way I would have some chance


that sounds sick hilly

just imagine keahi surfing with an added 50kg of potatoes strapped/saddle bagged to his guts to come up to our elite weight limit

the prick would probably throw massive bucket thou....lol......

we dont get enough numbers yet to be able to split it up IMO

but in saying that
9ft and above and
9ft and below
sounds great(for the hornet)....haha....lol.....

they do it in that downwind race hoooharrrrr
goatman
goatman
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19 May 2010 6:31pm
Keahi said...

Why limit something that doesn't need to limited. Fair enough they limited mals to 9ft, it has to be a mal and you can't call boards smaller then 9ft a true mal. If you limited size, it would just mean bigger people would have an advantage because of there weight. Me riding an 8ft board is just like a bigger guy riding a 9ft board because they have the weight to throw it around. There really is no point to limit it unless you want to stop the progression of SUP and give someone an advantage.

Keahi


What he said pretty much. If someone wants to ride a longer SUP and get a paddling advantage well let em!

Maybe 2 divisions is the answer - as mentioned already. Let the Mal riders have there token SUP divisions with 2 categories then have more dedicated SUP comps like the roar for all comers.
Surfrod66
Surfrod66
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19 May 2010 6:31pm
Hi Keahi
What do you weigth out of interest, because if you weight 65kg and your 8' board is only 95ltrs then is this not the same as say Aj who weights 85kgs Riding a 115ltr Board in the same heat..?Weigth plus 30 ltrs
goatman
goatman
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19 May 2010 6:35pm
Surfrod66 said...

Hi Keahi
What do you weigth out of interest, because if you weight 65kg and your 8' board is only 95ltrs then is this not the same as say Aj who weights 85kgs Riding a 115ltr Board in the same heat..?Weigth plus 30 ltrs


It would be weight plus a percentage of body weight otherwise light guys would be disadvantaged - but stupid idea anyway - how would you measure it?

Some guy just won the french comp on a heavy, long PSH moulded board against a flyweight on a sup 8 foot custom, so obviously the rider plays a big part.
billboard
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19 May 2010 8:00pm
In the past I think there was some debate over whether sup would align itself with either longboarding or shortboarding events and that obviously caused some confusion over how to judge sup surfing. Even though, in recent times sup surfing has been part of the two biggest longboard events in Aust' (noosa/malfunction) I am pretty confident that neither shortboard or longboard associations want sup surfing and as such sup surfing will have to stand alone which will mean that they can pretty much develop their own rules and reg's and raise and spend their own money. The byron bay comp is the only one I have heard of that limited board size and being a very traditional mal club I think they had every right to put whatever limits on competitors that they saw fit.
Realistically it is going to come down to how sup surfing is judged at competition level as to what boards are most suitable - by that I mean is it going to be judged on progressive moves or traditional longboard or a mixture ? To be fair on all competitors I suppose as kagey says you will have to have two separate forms of sup surfing to cater for the more longboardy type surfer and the shortboard oriented sup surfer. Personally I dont think there is enough support or money for sup to hold comps big enough to cater for everyone - will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next coupla years.
kyron
kyron
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19 May 2010 8:27pm
I have never competed but I am guessing in a heat you would have to be standing up most of the time and obviously paddle into your waves standing up????? So if you can do that on a small board then that should be fine, right?
62mac
62mac
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19 May 2010 6:41pm
billboard said...

In the past I think there was some debate over whether sup would align itself with either longboarding or shortboarding events and that obviously caused some confusion over how to judge sup surfing. Even though, in recent times sup surfing has been part of the two biggest longboard events in Aust' (noosa/malfunction) I am pretty confident that neither shortboard or longboard associations want sup surfing and as such sup surfing will have to stand alone which will mean that they can pretty much develop their own rules and reg's and raise and spend their own money. The byron bay comp is the only one I have heard of that limited board size and being a very traditional mal club I think they had every right to put whatever limits on competitors that they saw fit.
Realistically it is going to come down to how sup surfing is judged at competition level as to what boards are most suitable - by that I mean is it going to be judged on progressive moves or traditional longboard or a mixture ? To be fair on all competitors I suppose as kagey says you will have to have two separate forms of sup surfing to cater for the more longboardy type surfer and the shortboard oriented sup surfer. Personally I dont think there is enough support or money for sup to hold comps big enough to cater for everyone - will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next coupla years.


Totally agree with Billboard, I said something similar earlier regarding sup standing alone down the track and got red thumbed for it
The Roar comp is going to be fantastic for the sport and I see this as becoming a premium stand alone event in the near future. Get your red pens out
mikeman
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19 May 2010 8:44pm
Keahi said...

Why limit something that doesn't need to limited. Fair enough they limited mals to 9ft, it has to be a mal and you can't call boards smaller then 9ft a true mal. If you limited size, it would just mean bigger people would have an advantage because of there weight. Me riding an 8ft board is just like a bigger guy riding a 9ft board because they have the weight to throw it around. There really is no point to limit it unless you want to stop the progression of SUP and give someone an advantage.

Keahi


I agree 100%. Don't slow down the progression of SUP surfing in any way. Anything goes in my book. I also don't have a problem with how anyone paddles out (ie those that kneel) or even whether they stay standing up while out the back. It's what they do on the wave that really counts. It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.
kyron
kyron
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19 May 2010 8:57pm
mikeman said...

Keahi said...

Why limit something that doesn't need to limited. Fair enough they limited mals to 9ft, it has to be a mal and you can't call boards smaller then 9ft a true mal. If you limited size, it would just mean bigger people would have an advantage because of there weight. Me riding an 8ft board is just like a bigger guy riding a 9ft board because they have the weight to throw it around. There really is no point to limit it unless you want to stop the progression of SUP and give someone an advantage.

Keahi


I agree 100%. Don't slow down the progression of SUP surfing in any way. Anything goes in my book. I also don't have a problem with how anyone paddles out (ie those that kneel) or even whether they stay standing up while out the back. It's what they do on the wave that really counts. It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.


So do you have to be standing up when you paddle into the wave or could you just take out a normal 6 foot shortboard and keep ya paddle in a back strap till your up and away??? I'm confused, surely there has to be some standing???????????
mikeman
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19 May 2010 9:08pm
kyron said...

mikeman said...

Keahi said...

Why limit something that doesn't need to limited. Fair enough they limited mals to 9ft, it has to be a mal and you can't call boards smaller then 9ft a true mal. If you limited size, it would just mean bigger people would have an advantage because of there weight. Me riding an 8ft board is just like a bigger guy riding a 9ft board because they have the weight to throw it around. There really is no point to limit it unless you want to stop the progression of SUP and give someone an advantage.

Keahi


I agree 100%. Don't slow down the progression of SUP surfing in any way. Anything goes in my book. I also don't have a problem with how anyone paddles out (ie those that kneel) or even whether they stay standing up while out the back. It's what they do on the wave that really counts. It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.


So do you have to be standing up when you paddle into the wave or could you just take out a normal 6 foot shortboard and keep ya paddle in a back strap till your up and away??? I'm confused, surely there has to be some standing???????????


I am sure most people would say that you need to be standing while paddling onto a wave. I don't really mind either way as what I really want to see is high performance surfing while on the wave, using your paddle in the moves.
teatrea
teatrea
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19 May 2010 9:09pm
I rekon two size categories under 9 and over , but i think the sport is called stand up paddle for a reason , it would be laughable if guys where prone paddling into waves and then ripping the padddle out to bust a few turns.
tha dogman
tha dogman
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19 May 2010 9:09pm
rules change at every event

but you have to paddle into a wave standing and use the paddle

you dont have to paddle back out standing but it is frowned upon if it isnt over 25knts

so dont get excited about using your shortie just yet kryon
OG SUP
OG SUP
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19 May 2010 9:15pm
Hey Mike,

I have to disagree on the how you get out the back and whether you stay standing on the board.

Standing up and getting over waves on the way out is a major skill / part of the sport. Its all about the skill to stay shiny side up on the board IMO.

Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.

My 2c

[b I also don't have a problem with how anyone paddles out (ie those that kneel) or even whether they stay standing up while out the back. It's what they do on the wave that really counts.








Couldnt agree more

It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.


teatrea
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19 May 2010 9:20pm
OG SUP said...

Hey Mike,

I have to disagree on the how you get out the back and whether you stay standing on the board.

Standing up and getting over waves on the way out is a major skill / part of the sport. Its all about the skill to stay shiny side up on the board IMO.

Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.

My 2c

[b I also don't have a problem with how anyone paddles out (ie those that kneel) or even whether they stay standing up while out the back. It's what they do on the wave that really counts.








Couldnt agree more

It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.





I agree , its stand up paddle Dah!
Simondo
Simondo
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19 May 2010 10:05pm
But if you're a leaner reading this, there's no shame in 'not' standing up all of the time !!!
hilly
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19 May 2010 8:07pm
teatrea said...

OG SUP said...Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.
It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.


I sit down heaps if out for a long sess 5hrs but 20 min heats should stipulate standing at all times so we do not get another blowin sup aussie champ that was crappolla big time
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
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19 May 2010 10:46pm
hilly said...

teatrea said...

OG SUP said...Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.
It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.


I sit down heaps if out for a long sess 5hrs but 20 min heats should stipulate standing at all times so we do not get another blowin sup aussie champ that was crappolla big time



I also think that sitting down in between sets is fine - it also stops freaking out the prone surfers - it makes for a nicer environment when you sit down and chat with the others - they seem more receptive.
Greenroom
Greenroom
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19 May 2010 8:59pm
Consider this... Two people in a heat. One on an 8'5 who surfs like a cat on acid and the other on a 10'5 who surfs like Bob Marley on pot. Both SUP surfers utilise the wave to the best of their ability and totally rip according to their favoured style of SUP surfing.
Who wins?
jenkz
jenkz
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19 May 2010 9:14pm
Greenroom said...

Consider this... Two people in a heat. One on an 8'5 who surfs like a cat on acid and the other on a 10'5 who surfs like Bob Marley on pot. Both SUP surfers utilise the wave to the best of their ability and totally rip according to their favoured style of SUP surfing.
Who wins?


The answer to this question really depends on the judges and what they want to see or are impressed by.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
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19 May 2010 11:16pm
Greenroom said...

Consider this... Two people in a heat. One on an 8'5 who surfs like a cat on acid and the other on a 10'5 who surfs like Bob Marley on pot. Both SUP surfers utilise the wave to the best of their ability and totally rip according to their favoured style of SUP surfing.
Who wins?


you choose


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col303
col303
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19 May 2010 10:18pm
WoW!!!!! Ted is that too much info! I'am only a Sup board rider!
mickfullarto
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20 May 2010 8:57am
Keep it simple for the surfing side of SUP simple as different boards, sizes, styles etc work for different people and how they want to express them selves in the water which after all is what we all surf for and if you start trying to regulate that all that is going to happen is that we are going to stifle board development because everyone is going to be restricted to trying to shape a board to a set of rules which IMO is against the spirit of surfing.

However I do see some merit in having some regulation for the DH racing side of the sport so that you can buy/develop product for a specific class an know that it will still be relevant down and competitive down the track. I would love to buy a board and do a bit of racing but what length do I buy because you want to compare yourself against the best.

So my question would be what length do I buy 12 -6 , 14.0 or something deifferent?

Cheers
Mick
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