tha dogman said...

Greenroom said...

Consider this... Two people in a heat. One on an 8'5 who surfs like a cat on acid and the other on a 10'5 who surfs like Bob Marley on pot. Both SUP surfers utilise the wave to the best of their ability and totally rip according to their favoured style of SUP surfing.
Who wins?

they both win until they come down........lol..........

rock on

Get up, stand up..... Stand up for your right..... Get up, stand up..... Don't give up the fight!

If someone wants to sit down during a 20 minute heat, GO AHEAD!
I need every advantage I can get.
Standing up to see what's coming is a major part of
this sport/pastime/lifestyle/thing we do.
I concur with under and over length but I reckon 10foot is
more agreeable to the older gent.
Jason

Other than opening a can of worms which I new I was doing, one of the main points I wanted to raise was should we start to try and organise our selfs in our sport before someone who doesn't SUP makes the rules for us.

billboard said...

OG SUP said...

Hey Mike,

I have to disagree on the how you get out the back and whether you stay standing on the board.

Standing up and getting over waves on the way out is a major skill / part of the sport. Its all about the skill to stay shiny side up on the board IMO.

Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.

My 2c

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Agree 200% with you on this one. As has already been stated, it is called stand up paddling for a reason. A sup surfing heat is gunna be 20-30 mins in length and if you can't paddle out, stand between waves and stand to catch waves for that period of time then you shouldn't be in the comp to start with. I don't see any problem with someone dropping to their knees or belly to punch through a nasty shorey on the way back out but then you gotta get straight back to your feet IMO.

I would go so far as to say that at the pro level (pro very loosely used) level in a sup surfing event that anyone who sits down or kneels in the heat/final should be disqualified immediately.

I disagree with the sitting down in between waves thing and it being considered bad.

As stated before in a contest sitting down would be a disadvantage anyway while waiting as you would have less vision. If its a disadvantage why would it disqualify you?? Knee paddling is kind of dorky IMO, if you can't stand up to paddle back out due to waves etc lie down and paddle prone until you can. You can punch over waves easier anyway, do as the clubbies do. Paddle, sit up right before the wave and punch the board into the wash laying back down again. Paddling on your knees into waves will yield you a broken nose.

The ruling to not allow knee paddling in contests is also so that you can't reduce the volume so much as to have an unfair advantage on the wave. If it doesnt float enough to stand on while you paddle it aint a Stand Up Paddle board.

In a recreational setting sitting down in between waves with the pack makes you part of the pack again. There's nothing worse than surfing on a shortboard and having some goon towering over you. Its very confrontational and intimidating to people. If you want respect in a line-up sit down with the crew, say g'day, have a chat and take the waves that are yours not everyone elses. You'll find yourself a whole lot more welcome with this approach.

Standing permanently 30m further out from the pack and taking every wave does nothing for the sport or anyone else only yourself.

Been rejected by shortboarders before? Just curious.........

billboard said...

CMC said...
In a recreational setting sitting down in between waves with the pack makes you part of the pack again. There's nothing worse than surfing on a shortboard and having some goon towering over you. Its very confrontational and intimidating to people. If you want respect in a line-up sit down with the crew, say g'day, have a chat and take the waves that are yours not everyone elses. You'll find yourself a whole lot more welcome with this approach.

Standing permanently 30m further out from the pack and taking every wave does nothing for the sport or anyone else only yourself.

Sitting down in between waves and trying to become one of the pack is bollocks IMO. Sups are not welcome in packs - especially shortboard packs and all the sitting down and making idle chat is not going to change that. It is also very rare for a sup to be surfing among shortboarders if the surf is actually on anyway. The best and safest place for sups is in their own pack away from the crowd where they are not intimidating anyone and are having way more fun not having to surf around a hundred bodies that don't wanna get out of the way for them. I surf both surfboards and sups and when out on a sup I don't wanna be around the pack where I am not wanted or welcome and vice versa - when out on a surfboard I don't really want sups in the lineup - so I generally pick the spots where I can indulge in my particular choice of craft on the day without pissing anyone off and offering the most fun for me with the least grief.

HAHAHA you must be doing something wrong when you go SUPin!!!! i sit in the pack of surfers all the time and have a chat and never a issue and thats from places like straddie to currumbin. Usally if some one paddles out and being a KOOK in the line up and playing where they are not ready for they might give you some stink eye. I dont give a s**t who's out there i'll show the same respect to everyone. Sit down or stand up who really cares if some one feels like i'm standing above them then they can cry all they want i'm sure there mum will give them a tissue.

Jacko

billboard said...

Each to their own I guess - I will however continue on trying not to give sup a bad name. Call me a soft ##ck if you want but I see so much arrogance from local sup surfers and personally I have no desire to be a part of it. Guess we are just lucky we have so many places to sup away from the crowds if we wish to.

Anyhow back on topic - I don't think board size should be limited at all in sup surfing comps but perhaps to make it interesting it could be stipulated that the board you start the comp on is the board you have to ride all comp (unless of course you break one). This way you take the risk with your board choice from the start and have to surf the variable conditions during the entirety of the competition (heats/finals) and hope that you have made a good board selection that will be suitable for whatever surf conditions may come along.

Sorry i dissagree i had this rule in the last roar comp and hated it!!! it only favors someone playing safe and if everyone just plays safe then no one will see the best surfing. In comps you want people on what ever board suits them best and if there is glassy conditions then you should be able to take out your small board and then if the wind come up you might want to grab your next size board up. Not sure why people would want to put restrictions on sup surf already!!! lets just let the sport grow first.

Jacko

teatrea said...

OG SUP said...

Hey Mike,

I have to disagree on the how you get out the back and whether you stay standing on the board.

Standing up and getting over waves on the way out is a major skill / part of the sport. Its all about the skill to stay shiny side up on the board IMO.

Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.

My 2c

[b I also don't have a problem with how anyone paddles out (ie those that kneel) or even whether they stay standing up while out the back. It's what they do on the wave that really counts.








Couldnt agree more

It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.

I agree , its stand up paddle Dah!

Yep totally agree kneeling should not be allowed at all Kneeling is VERY uncool it is after all called STAND UP The weight concept has some merit for sure.

Garethg said...

The rules at the recent French comp were, you lost 50% of the next waves score if a competitor didnt paddle out standing up, or sat down whilst waiting for a wave.

This is stand up paddling, and standing up is part of the sport in all aspects.

The guys who placed first and second in the French comp rode boards over 9ft in length, the guy who came 3rd was riding a 7"3. Dont try and control it too much. Allow the best surfers compete on what they think suits them, likie any sport there are different designs, shapes, techniques... the main criteria is it stand up.

Thanks for that info, good rule I think

paul.j said...

billboard said...

Each to their own I guess - I will however continue on trying not to give sup a bad name. Call me a soft ##ck if you want but I see so much arrogance from local sup surfers and personally I have no desire to be a part of it. Guess we are just lucky we have so many places to sup away from the crowds if we wish to.

Anyhow back on topic - I don't think board size should be limited at all in sup surfing comps but perhaps to make it interesting it could be stipulated that the board you start the comp on is the board you have to ride all comp (unless of course you break one). This way you take the risk with your board choice from the start and have to surf the variable conditions during the entirety of the competition (heats/finals) and hope that you have made a good board selection that will be suitable for whatever surf conditions may come along.

Sorry i dissagree i had this rule in the last roar comp and hated it!!! it only favors someone playing safe and if everyone just plays safe then no one will see the best surfing. In comps you want people on what ever board suits them best and if there is glassy conditions then you should be able to take out your small board and then if the wind come up you might want to grab your next size board up. Not sure why people would want to put restrictions on sup surf already!!! lets just let the sport grow first.

Jacko

Speaking of the Roar comp Jacko, I just got my entry in and was wondering if there is any more info regarding starting times, heat draws and all the other happenings on?? Pretty excited even though I'll be on my super tanker Naish 9'3! ha ha!

Legion said...

Don't you guys have a paddle advantage standing? So the guys lying down will be slower to get back out? Or do they end up faster because if you try to stay standing you get smashed?

Personally I reckon it's silly to stipulate how people have to paddle out as long as they catch the wave with the paddle. But then again, I reckon SUPs silly in general .

Haha I know what you think and what your saying, laying down to paddle as you would have done since a grommet is cool. Kneeling is frowned upon as it should and super gay, If Supping is to get ANY sort of credit what so ever it is not going to be by people kneeling all over the shop to .get out the back it may as well be kneeboarding [;)

Yeah I'm for standing up while paddling out and when catching waves.
Sitting on your board out the back is up to you IMO. During a free surf with shortboarders
I agree sitting down definately eases the tension in the water, at least at most places I surf.

Board size for comps shouldn't be limited to anything. If skill levels are the same, body weight
will determine what size boards people ride and can throw around.

Legion said...

Seriously, I would think that standing would be faster so you have a chance to beat the lying down guy out and get priority for the next set or just get out there before the next set. Isn't that the whole reason for SUP? The paddle advantage?

The only reason to lie would be stability in whitewater, no? Or e.g. at the last national champs if you're actually not a SUPer at all and just a longboarder who wants to compete and not very stable at SUP in the paddle phase?

Yep def standing is way quicker and the go if you can get up quick enough in the foam, Laying down as you would normally do on your short board is good also for a quick get the hell out of there before you get caught inside I can sometimes even half duck dive my 9 6" works quite well, but I think trying to stand the majority of the time as kneeling seems a cop out

Ted the Kiwi said...

hilly said...

teatrea said...

OG SUP said...Sitting on your board in between waves is also poor form IMHO. They dont call it stand up for no reason lol.
It's great to see what the top guys (like Keahi, Billy Watson, Jackson Close, Matt Lumney, Dogman and many others) are pulling off.

I sit down heaps if out for a long sess 5hrs but 20 min heats should stipulate standing at all times so we do not get another blowin sup aussie champ that was crappolla big time

I also think that sitting down in between sets is fine - it also stops freaking out the prone surfers - it makes for a nicer environment when you sit down and chat with the others - they seem more receptive.

Hi Ted, I was talking about 20 or 25 min Sup heats in a comp, not free surfing for extended periods of time.