Carbon wave board split

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spreaders
spreaders
9 posts
9 posts
14 Nov 2015 4:13am
Fairly light shin impact (did not hurt or mark me) has caused this dent and split to board in first hour of use. I cant believe they are supposed to be that fragile as surely not fit for use in waves?





Mastbender
Mastbender
1972 posts
1972 posts
14 Nov 2015 5:42am
Send it back, that's total BS!
A decent dealer would be willing to work with you on that.
yt04
yt04
QLD
397 posts
QLD, 397 posts
14 Nov 2015 8:06am
Yeah, that's very ordinary!! I've had plenty of knocks on my carbon and not a mark. Definitely take it back. Good luck.
Kieranr
Kieranr
NSW
526 posts
NSW, 526 posts
14 Nov 2015 9:08am
Above the main crack, slightly to the right, is that a big compression ding and some more paint chipping?
looks like you hit it a solid whack To do that..........
yt04
yt04
QLD
397 posts
QLD, 397 posts
14 Nov 2015 9:23am
You should be a detective Kierenr, I didn't see that ding further up. Definitely a big hit there and boards crack when the pressure from the hit moves through it and releases at the weakest point. Annoying I know and I've been lucky so far, but take it to a decent repairer and it'll be an easy fix for them. I don't think you'll have much luck with the dealer where you bought it.
Loz79
Loz79
QLD
459 posts
QLD, 459 posts
14 Nov 2015 9:42am
Shin impact hmmmm, looks like a decent knee impact. I've seen a couple of boards do the same both after nose diving down a wave...
bradsdubs
bradsdubs
QLD
161 posts
QLD, 161 posts
14 Nov 2015 9:44am
lucky the sup is that fragile, or you might have really hurt your shin and knee
Piros
Piros
QLD
7299 posts
QLD, 7299 posts
14 Nov 2015 12:02pm
Carbon is very strong but brittle , that's why some companies use a mix of composites and not carbon. The board has had a decent whack. Also not cool to jump on here to start bagging a board like that.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
14 Nov 2015 12:42pm
to me you've given it a fair old wack.imo just about any carbon board would be damaged by the looks of that impact.

it looks nothing like an egg shell break or other weakness . however if you still thinks its not right maybe take it to a reputable repairer of a second opinion

also think about a more durable board if you think your going to be doing more of that kind of thing.


good luck
crakas
crakas
QLD
467 posts
QLD, 467 posts
14 Nov 2015 1:28pm
Doesn't look like a knee impact to me, looks like something straight has hit it. I know carbon is brittle, but you would expect it be stronger because it is a premium brand, that has a fair bit of Hype behind it.

I know I would be pissed if I spent over 3G on a new board for it to be damaged in the first surf.
colas
colas
5381 posts
5381 posts
14 Nov 2015 3:54pm
Like others, seems like some strong impact there, by looking at the depression close to it.

Carbon is very strong, but brittle. It will resist to a lot a pressure, then explode catastrophically.
Basically, it will resist more to dings, but when the ding happen, it will be bigger than pure glass that shed the load by failing earlier.

The amount of pain you feel may not be a good indicator. depending on the way you hit the board, a small impact can hurt like hell, and a big impact feel like nothing.

How light is your board? There is no free lunch: The weight gain of replacing glass by carbon is negligible, all the weight gains are made by using less materials and hoping the added strength of carbon will compensate... and as rails & fin boxes should be kept sturdy, other parts of the boards, like the one you fall on, is where the weight saving are made...
HyperSpark
HyperSpark
7 posts
7 posts
14 Nov 2015 5:02pm
What a crappy feeling when that happens on a new board.

I have been super impressed with the build quality and strength of my Hyper Nut.
7.4kg (with fins) for my 105L carbon board shows they have not skimped on carbon this year. This is also reflected by how little flex the board has and how solid it feels. However if I fell on my board with my paddle in my hand or landed hard there with my knee I would expect it to crack, as would any other board. I damaged my other carbon board by being in a rush and using the rail as a lever to pull the blade out of the water. Even though I did not pull hard it was enough for the shaft to crack the rail. Lesson learnt and am now more careful.

Squeeze around your rails and in the vicinity of where the crack is. If the area around where the crack is is noticeably softer that the rest of the board (mine has no give) then I think you would have a warranty claim. If not then it is not the manufacturers fault, just your bad luck.
spreaders
spreaders
9 posts
9 posts
14 Nov 2015 5:04pm
No bagging or blagging. Straight impact with shin across the rail as i came off the board paddling across a wave. The line of impact can be seen by the lateral depression, small crease at the top end and large split/crease at lower end of impact line across top of rail. I rode the demo board for 2 days giving it a fair few knocks and bashes without even marking it and was frankly shocked when i noticed this. Edit. Just looked again and paint chipping at top is on line of small double crease at top end of linear impact, hard to see crease/linear depression due to paint effect. Will see what dealer/repairer says. My 8ft by 31.5 133l is 8kg with fins and rail tape.
snot
snot
NSW
157 posts
NSW, 157 posts
14 Nov 2015 9:09pm
carbon boards, they're like new girlfriends, gonna end up ****ed in the end! some sooner than later…...
spreaders
spreaders
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9 posts
14 Nov 2015 6:23pm
snot said...
carbon boards, they're like new girlfriends, gonna end up ****ed in the end! some sooner than later…...


surfershaneA
surfershaneA
869 posts
869 posts
15 Nov 2015 7:02am
Yes, while you get lots of posts like this even mentioning the brand in the title, you have to be careful posting this kind of thing. Been there myself, done it and paid for it via an otherwise harmless picture that revealled the brand. The negative responses can make it hard when you are honestly looking for advice.

In this case you have probably been bloody unlucky. It is worth taking it back to the retailer. Most have their own repairers. If the place you got it from are decent, they should offer to repair it for a minimal cost or maybe even free. It is a lot cheaper in the longrun to please customers and secure their return business??????
PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
15 Nov 2015 1:46pm
surfershaneA said..
It is worth taking it back to the retailer. Most have their own repairers. If the place you got it from are decent, they should offer to repair it for a minimal cost or maybe even free. It is a lot cheaper in the longrun to please customers and secure their return business??????


So if you tear your new shirt you would expect the retailer to fix it? If you scratch your new bike they should offer repair at minimal cost or for free????

The guy gave his board a knock and it gave in, not due to a manufacturing defect, but due to an unfortunate fall/crash.

I'm a retailer and don't agree when I'm requested to fix damage that has nothing to do with normal warranty cover.

Give your retailers some slack and fix your own damage. If that doesn't sit well with you then at least make sure you paid full retail before you make a claim like this. Rant over
DARTH
DARTH
WA
3028 posts
WA, 3028 posts
15 Nov 2015 3:37pm
Looks like it was cut with a box cutter, very strange..
sharpie
sharpie
NSW
347 posts
NSW, 347 posts
16 Nov 2015 8:30am
what, no hair in there.
RiskyBusiness
RiskyBusiness
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
16 Nov 2015 5:41am
Australian Consumer law provides protection for products to be supplied and guaranteed as acceptable quality, durable, and fit for purpose.

Section 54

Guarantee as to acceptable quality

(1)?If:

(a)?a person supplies, in trade or commerce, goods to a consumer; and

(b)?the supply does not occur by way of sale by auction; there is a guarantee that the goods are of acceptable quality.

(2)?Goods are of acceptable quality if they are as:

(a)?fit for all the purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly supplied; and

(b)?acceptable in appearance and finish; and

(c)?free from defects; and

(d)?safe; and

(e)?durable;

as a reasonable consumer fully acquainted with the state and condition of the goods (including any hidden defects of the goods), would regard as acceptable having regard to the matters in subsection (3).

(3)?The matters for the purposes of subsection (2) are:

(a)?the nature of the goods; and

(b)?the price of the goods (if relevant); and

(c)?any statements made about the goods on any packaging or label on the goods; and

(d)?any representation made about the goods by the supplier or manufacturer of the goods; and

(e)?any other relevant circumstances relating to the supply of the goods.

(4)?If:

(a)?goods supplied to a consumer are not of acceptable quality; and

(b)?the only reason or reasons why they are not of acceptable quality were specifically drawn to the consumer’s attention before the consumer agreed to the supply; the goods are taken to be of acceptable quality.

Using a surf sup, in the surf, would not constitute abnormal use?

(5)?If:

(a)?goods are displayed for sale or hire; and

(b)?the goods would not be of acceptable quality if they were supplied to a consumer; the reason or reasons why they are not of acceptable quality are taken, for the purposes of subsection (4), to have been specifically drawn to a consumer’s attention if those reasons were disclosed on a written notice that was displayed with the goods and that was transparent.

(6)?Goods do not fail to be of acceptable quality if:

(a)?the consumer to whom they are supplied causes them to become of unacceptable quality, or fails to take reasonable steps to prevent them from becoming of unacceptable quality; and

(b)?they are damaged by abnormal use.

(7)?Goods do not fail to be of acceptable quality if:

(a)?the consumer acquiring the goods examines them before the consumer agrees to the supply of the goods; and

(b)?the examination ought reasonably to have revealed that the goods were not of acceptable quality.
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
16 Nov 2015 8:56am
RiskyBusiness said..
Australian Consumer law provides protection for products to be supplied and guaranteed as acceptable quality, durable, and fit for purpose.

Section 54

Guarantee as to acceptable quality

(1)?If:

(a)?a person supplies, in trade or commerce, goods to a consumer; and

(b)?the supply does not occur by way of sale by auction; there is a guarantee that the goods are of acceptable quality.

(2)?Goods are of acceptable quality if they are as:

(a)?fit for all the purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly supplied; and

(b)?acceptable in appearance and finish; and

(c)?free from defects; and

(d)?safe; and

(e)?durable;

as a reasonable consumer fully acquainted with the state and condition of the goods (including any hidden defects of the goods), would regard as acceptable having regard to the matters in subsection (3).

(3)?The matters for the purposes of subsection (2) are:

(a)?the nature of the goods; and

(b)?the price of the goods (if relevant); and

(c)?any statements made about the goods on any packaging or label on the goods; and

(d)?any representation made about the goods by the supplier or manufacturer of the goods; and

(e)?any other relevant circumstances relating to the supply of the goods.

(4)?If:

(a)?goods supplied to a consumer are not of acceptable quality; and

(b)?the only reason or reasons why they are not of acceptable quality were specifically drawn to the consumer’s attention before the consumer agreed to the supply; the goods are taken to be of acceptable quality.

Using a surf sup, in the surf, would not constitute abnormal use?

(5)?If:

(a)?goods are displayed for sale or hire; and

(b)?the goods would not be of acceptable quality if they were supplied to a consumer; the reason or reasons why they are not of acceptable quality are taken, for the purposes of subsection (4), to have been specifically drawn to a consumer’s attention if those reasons were disclosed on a written notice that was displayed with the goods and that was transparent.

(6)?Goods do not fail to be of acceptable quality if:

(a)?the consumer to whom they are supplied causes them to become of unacceptable quality, or fails to take reasonable steps to prevent them from becoming of unacceptable quality; and

(b)?they are damaged by abnormal use.

(7)?Goods do not fail to be of acceptable quality if:

(a)?the consumer acquiring the goods examines them before the consumer agrees to the supply of the goods; and

(b)?the examination ought reasonably to have revealed that the goods were not of acceptable quality.


s6(a) might catch the OP.
spreaders
spreaders
9 posts
9 posts
16 Nov 2015 7:07am
Thanks all for the advice and feedback. Dealer taking a look and going to refer to distributor.
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
16 Nov 2015 10:31am
the first cuts always the deepest...
last week i got my first decent opening on my carbon JL thanks to a longboarder chucking his board over the shoulder in a wipeout and it flew into nose of my board then thru my shin. Bit of bog and a sticker and board is ready to roll, hopefully leg is in a few days...

Recon you will have to fight hard to get compensation. could have felt light but may well have just compressed and cracked at one point along the weaving and thats a crack. I have noticed with my JL (and rail carbon wrap on my surfboards and kiteboards) the weaving goes at 45 degrees, hopefully preventing paralell rail cracks like this one.
That being said i have heard Star are very reasonable.
good luck.
snot
snot
NSW
157 posts
NSW, 157 posts
16 Nov 2015 6:51pm
Maybe he's got a wooden leg...
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
16 Nov 2015 3:57pm
spreaders said..
Fairly light shin impact (did not hurt or mark me) has caused this dent and split to board in first hour of use. I cant believe they are supposed to be that fragile as surely not fit for use in waves?







I'm confused. The last time I looked at my shin(s), I didn't see anything with a straight, sharp edge that could scratch a board like that....
It doesn't add up IMO, that a shin impact = a scratch like that....just sayin'....
surfershaneA
surfershaneA
869 posts
869 posts
17 Nov 2015 6:58am
PeterP said...
surfershaneA said..
It is worth taking it back to the retailer. Most have their own repairers. If the place you got it from are decent, they should offer to repair it for a minimal cost or maybe even free. It is a lot cheaper in the longrun to please customers and secure their return business??????


So if you tear your new shirt you would expect the retailer to fix it? If you scratch your new bike they should offer repair at minimal cost or for free????

The guy gave his board a knock and it gave in, not due to a manufacturing defect, but due to an unfortunate fall/crash.

I'm a retailer and don't agree when I'm requested to fix damage that has nothing to do with normal warranty cover.

Give your retailers some slack and fix your own damage. If that doesn't sit well with you then at least make sure you paid full retail before you make a claim like this. Rant over



Be fair - these boards aren't cheap and it was the guys first surf! It might be Ok to flame people over the net, but how would you feel if this happened to you?

When you look at the proportion of the repair cost to the profit, it is minimal. So - YES - if I was the retailer I would be happy to take a bit of a "knock" to gain a satisfied customer and the business this creates. A greater ongoing return....,,,,

Hey, maybe I get the customer skills from my "Godfather" who, as the first surf clothing shop millionaire, also started importing Levis? My mother was also in clothing retail and I have always worked in customer orientated trades and professions. Bugger, maybe I should even give retailing a go?????

Would be even less amusing if the guy got the one factory fault in thousands as happened in my paddle episode??


Loz79
Loz79
QLD
459 posts
QLD, 459 posts
17 Nov 2015 12:05pm
surfershaneA said..

PeterP said...

surfershaneA said..
It is worth taking it back to the retailer. Most have their own repairers. If the place you got it from are decent, they should offer to repair it for a minimal cost or maybe even free. It is a lot cheaper in the longrun to please customers and secure their return business??????



So if you tear your new shirt you would expect the retailer to fix it? If you scratch your new bike they should offer repair at minimal cost or for free????

The guy gave his board a knock and it gave in, not due to a manufacturing defect, but due to an unfortunate fall/crash.

I'm a retailer and don't agree when I'm requested to fix damage that has nothing to do with normal warranty cover.

Give your retailers some slack and fix your own damage. If that doesn't sit well with you then at least make sure you paid full retail before you make a claim like this. Rant over




Be fair - these boards aren't cheap and it was the guys first surf! It might be Ok to flame people over the net, but how would you feel if this happened to you?

When you look at the proportion of the repair cost to the profit, it is minimal. So - YES - if I was the retailer I would be happy to take a bit of a "knock" to gain a satisfied customer and the business this creates. A greater ongoing return....,,,,

Hey, maybe I get the customer skills from my "Godfather" who, as the first surf clothing shop millionaire, also started importing Levis? My mother was also in clothing retail and I have always worked in customer orientated trades and professions. Bugger, maybe I should even give retailing a go?????

Would be even less amusing if the guy got the one factory fault in thousands as happened in my paddle episode??




I think you're missing the point a little surfershane. I would not expect the retailer to cough up on warranty for a board ding that I did. If I hit someone in my brand new car on my way home from the dealer and scratch the side do you expect the dealer to pay??...no boards are bullet proof and light weight high end boards are even less so..Fair enough air you're concern on the breeze if its a legitimate claim and the company is doing nothing about it but don't go publishing these posts without first contacting the retailer and at least having a legitimate warranty claim..PS: I had a warranty claim on one of my top end boards and ended up with a brand new board ..I didn't publish any of the details on the breeze...
surfershaneA
surfershaneA
869 posts
869 posts
17 Nov 2015 11:28am
Loz79 said...
surfershaneA said..

PeterP said...

surfershaneA said..
It is worth taking it back to the retailer. Most have their own repairers. If the place you got it from are decent, they should offer to repair it for a minimal cost or maybe even free. It is a lot cheaper in the longrun to please customers and secure their return business??????



So if you tear your new shirt you would expect the retailer to fix it? If you scratch your new bike they should offer repair at minimal cost or for free????

The guy gave his board a knock and it gave in, not due to a manufacturing defect, but due to an unfortunate fall/crash.

I'm a retailer and don't agree when I'm requested to fix damage that has nothing to do with normal warranty cover.

Give your retailers some slack and fix your own damage. If that doesn't sit well with you then at least make sure you paid full retail before you make a claim like this. Rant over




Be fair - these boards aren't cheap and it was the guys first surf! It might be Ok to flame people over the net, but how would you feel if this happened to you?

When you look at the proportion of the repair cost to the profit, it is minimal. So - YES - if I was the retailer I would be happy to take a bit of a "knock" to gain a satisfied customer and the business this creates. A greater ongoing return....,,,,

Hey, maybe I get the customer skills from my "Godfather" who, as the first surf clothing shop millionaire, also started importing Levis? My mother was also in clothing retail and I have always worked in customer orientated trades and professions. Bugger, maybe I should even give retailing a go?????

Would be even less amusing if the guy got the one factory fault in thousands as happened in my paddle episode??




I think you're missing the point a little surfershane. I would not expect the retailer to cough up on warranty for a board ding that I did. If I hit someone in my brand new car on my way home from the dealer and scratch the side do you expect the dealer to pay??...no boards are bullet proof and light weight high end boards are even less so..Fair enough air you're concern on the breeze if its a legitimate claim and the company is doing nothing about it but don't go publishing these posts without first contacting the retailer and at least having a legitimate warranty claim..PS: I had a warranty claim on one of my top end boards and ended up with a brand new board ..I didn't publish any of the details on the breeze...


Heck I must be a nice bloke?

Yes, if I was a car dealer and the above happened, I probably would help you out with at least a wholesale cost priced repair. It's a total no brainer that I am going to get follow-on business from you, your family and friends.

Likewise, if you went to some forums asking advice about a problem you might have with the car, I would be stoked with the business I would get when you posted that I was more than happy to resolve the issue.

With some of the attitudes I see on here, I am starting to understand why customer service in Australia can be way below ordinary!

It is also becoming obvious why some like to "test the water" and get a few opinions on the net before returning a product to the retailer retailer?

Oh, should also note I excelled in a combined Business/Law degree at a reputable University majoring in Strategic Management. Guess that was another no brainer?
Loz79
Loz79
QLD
459 posts
QLD, 459 posts
17 Nov 2015 2:52pm
Still missing the point...I don't think it's right to hit forums bagging brands before talking to the supplier...some people nowadays want someone to blame for everything and want to make their problems some one else's...if I damage a board I suck it up and get it repaired, not the boards or sellers fault...sure if they help organise a repair that's great but definitely not expected...not by me anyways...
micksmith
micksmith
VIC
1701 posts
VIC, 1701 posts
17 Nov 2015 3:59pm
Although I don't necessarily agree in principal, I do concede there is method in the madness of SurfershaneA's suggesting repairing or compensation from retailer.
I'll just give you a quick story (It's a bit quiet at work) My wife's Aunty recently had a bingle in her car (single car accident her fault) her husband took the vehicle to the car sales from where they had purchased New, the manager took one look and said whip it around to the workshop we can't have Beryl driving that around it's bad for business. Car yard repaired for free $700 damage. Their rational thinking was Lionel and Beryl buy cars, we want their business. So I guess likewise with a board would you want return customers or boards with obvious home repairs advertising the boards weakness.

Of course I could be way off course here but good story eh
Macaha
Macaha
QLD
21982 posts
QLD, 21982 posts
17 Nov 2015 4:13pm
micksmith said..
Although I don't necessarily agree in principal, I do concede there is method in the madness of SurfershaneA's suggesting repairing or compensation from retailer.
I'll just give you a quick story (It's a bit quiet at work) My wife's Aunty recently had a bingle in her car (single car accident her fault) her husband took the vehicle to the car sales from where they had purchased New, the manager took one look and said whip it around to the workshop we can't have Beryl driving that around it's bad for business. Car yard repaired for free $700 damage. Their rational thinking was Lionel and Beryl buy cars, we want their business. So I guess likewise with a board would you want return customers or boards with obvious home repairs advertising the boards weakness.

Of course I could be way off course here but good story eh


Unbelievable story.

I'll send this off to my board maker and if they agree,I'll take every party wave in town,surf with lack of due care and fearless of rocks or anything that is in line of sight.

The board in question has copped a fair knock,user be ware, unfortunately this happens,how can this possible be the retailer or manufactures responsibility.

Now on the other hand if you drive a new car out of the showroom and the brakes fail coursing a accident,them the dealer/manufactures should replace.
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