Core used in SUP manufacture

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magillamelb
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21 Oct 2014 1:52pm
Is there a specific grade of Polystyrene used in the manufacture of SUP boards?
Mark _australia
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21 Oct 2014 1:09pm
magillamelb said..
Is there a specific grade of Polystyrene used in the manufacture of SUP boards?



Should be H grade which is 25-30kg ish I think.

But depends upon what the outer layer is, PVC (divinycell) foam sandwich over the styro is way stronger so you can use lighter styro. May need denser styro if just glassing over and using a layer of bamboo / pine etc.

magillamelb
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21 Oct 2014 9:37pm
Mark _australia said..


magillamelb said..
Is there a specific grade of Polystyrene used in the manufacture of SUP boards?





Should be H grade which is 25-30kg ish I think.

But depends upon what the outer layer is, PVC (divinycell) foam sandwich over the styro is way stronger so you can use lighter styro. May need denser styro if just glassing over and using a layer of bamboo / pine etc.



I was planning to sandwich 10mm PVC foam between layers of 200gsm carbon in the standing areas of the board, 3mm PVC everywhere else and Polystyrene core.

Or

Build the board with 3 longitudinal carbon stringers in the polystyrene blank 250mm apart and eliminate the Polystyrene with Acetone once the board has been laminated, the all you're left with is a hollow shell with a 3-10 mm PVC foam cored carbon shell.
Mark _australia
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21 Oct 2014 9:39pm
I'd go with option number 1, but only 5mm PVC foam in standing area, and 3mm everywhere else, is plenty.
Also carbon under the foam is not needed, just do 2oz glass between styro and the PVC in the standing area, nothing but resin under the rest, and your carbon on the outside only.
Presuming a very well sanded and faired blank, ie: no little foam voids, for maximum adhesion.


That would be same as a windsurf board designed for hard n fast over chop and limited jumping, so I reckon it will be plenty enough if board is under 9ft ish.

Caveat - I've never built a SUP. :)


magillamelb
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22 Oct 2014 8:05am
What I'm considering building is a 16' downwind board.
Mark _australia
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23 Oct 2014 8:40pm
I think the standard construction I detailed would be OK. Just a stringer would become necessary due to the length - 3mm d'cell with about 100gsm unidirectional carbon on each side, bonded down the middle of the stryo.

Gonna be expensive there is $600 ish materials in it
magillamelb
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24 Oct 2014 9:50am
Mark _australia said..
I think the standard construction I detailed would be OK. Just a stringer would become necessary due to the length - 3mm d'cell with about 100gsm unidirectional carbon on each side, bonded down the middle of the stryo.

Gonna be expensive there is $600 ish materials in it


I would have thought it will be every bit of that...

latman
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24 Oct 2014 7:37pm
i would suggest the lightest, SL grade EPS
I think the stringers would be overkill , even though it will help overall board stiffness lots , you can easily buy carbon Double Bias 150 gsm 45/45 fibres which will add longitudinal stiffness and good skin strength
magillamelb
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24 Oct 2014 9:06pm
Thanks Latman!
colas
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25 Oct 2014 5:16pm
25 kg / m3 is what is used for surfing SUPs. But it will be heavy for high volume boards like a 16'.

Gong for instance has a 12'6" in 26 kg/m3 with a simple glassing, it weights 14kg (first models were even heavier than 17kg...)
Similar shape in 16 kg/m3 with a PVC sandwich deck + carbon layer to get strength in the skin weights 11kg

(See details at http://gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/box1707/Products/GON4SUPSHERPABR gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/box1707/Products/GON4SUPRAGEBR126 )

You may want to consider mixing densities, and use carbon for the string, as a full wood stringer can be heavy.
magillamelb
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25 Oct 2014 11:11pm
Don't know how to use wood Colas.

Only Carbon here...
Mark _australia
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25 Oct 2014 10:25pm
^^^ why anyone would use a wood stringer in such a large board is beyond belief anywyay.
Like I said, 3mm divinycell with thin uni carbon each side is farken stiff and half the weight of wood.


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