Displacement v Planing Hull

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Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
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WA, 469 posts
1 Oct 2009 11:56am
Did an interesting experiement this morning on my morning paddle, with the GPS on I was interested to see the difference in speed, if any, when I engaged the more planing part of the Pin v the displacement type front by moving more forward on the board.

The results I will say are interesting

For 1km lap on displacment hull
Max speed = 8.6 km/h
Average speed = 7.8 km/h

For 1 km lap on planing hull (and most of the other 4 km of the paddle)
Max Speed 8.5 km/h (other 4 km of the paddle max speed was between 8.2 and 8.7 km/h)
Average speed = 7.2km/h (other 4 km of the paddle average speed was between 7.2 and 7.4 km/h)

I think this aligns with the generally accepted theory that a displacement hull is not faster in a max speed sense but in efficiency through the water and average speed.

I dont know if it is psychological but in displacement hull mode the board seemed to maintain the glide longer and lose less speed when switching sides.

Any thoughts / experiences?

teatrea
teatrea
QLD
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QLD, 4177 posts
1 Oct 2009 2:07pm
I find with my dc17 it seems to glide better if i go forward towards to displacement nose.
LSD
LSD
VIC
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LSD LSD
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1 Oct 2009 4:24pm
Hi Zimbo,
What type of board were you on? Do you have a shot?
Cheers
Dean
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
1 Oct 2009 2:49pm

LSD said...

Hi Zimbo,
What type of board were you on? Do you have a shot?
Cheers
Dean


HI Dean

I was on my Starboard Pin 12'6 Sportech construction




same as this one just different construction



LSD
LSD
VIC
763 posts
LSD LSD
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1 Oct 2009 6:33pm
What is the max speed the board can be paddled to in a short sprint, 100 meters or so?
What type of GPS are you using?
Your speeds were done on water like in the shots, flat & no wind?
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
1 Oct 2009 5:11pm
LSD said...

What is the max speed the board can be paddled to in a short sprint, 100 meters or so?
What type of GPS are you using?
Your speeds were done on water like in the shots, flat & no wind?


In relation to the questions:

1) Dont know what the max speed is but that is a good trial and will let you know. Having checked the data for my other runs on the board in flat conditions my max was 9.4 but have not done any sprints yet.
2) I am using a Garmin 405 GPS watch at this location it is accurate to 2-4m.
3) Yup the river was dead flat no wind at all.
LSD
LSD
VIC
763 posts
LSD LSD
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1 Oct 2009 10:24pm
What I do to evaluate a board is paddle an out & return set 5 k course with a Garmin 301 & use the heart rate monitor to gauge my input.
Quicker times from changing standing/trim position, fin size, nose fin, etc can be easily seen.
The heart rate monitor is the key, it's difficult to get an accurate evaluation without it, sure you can race the clock, but you might put in more one day than the next....the paddler's input has to be as uniform as possible.
The river quiver.. 20'x26" 16'x24" 14'x27".....the planning hull is not even in the race.



The sprint speed of this mother is 13k's......but we are cheating here with a flat 20'


I raced the 14' below against a mate on the 20' over 1/2k or so, the speed maintained was about 9.5 to 10k's, & was 100m ahead of the 20', (I dont think Glenn was putting in... as he knew we were going for a surf after )


laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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1 Oct 2009 10:39pm
even with the heart rate monitor, you would have rest in between paddles to show consistency. it has been shown overtrained or tired people/athletes heart rates are higher then their normal heart rates even though they /you could still put out a workrate
lacey

LSD
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VIC
763 posts
LSD LSD
VIC, 763 posts
1 Oct 2009 10:48pm
lacey said...

even with the heart rate monitor, you would have rest in between paddles to show consistency. it has been shown overtrained or tired people/athletes heart rates are higher then their normal heart rates even though they /you could still put out a workrate
lacey



Yeah...I am aware of that, I only do 1 run on 1 day, not consecutive runs etc, or when I have had other exercise, I try to keep it as comparitive as possibe.

mikeman
mikeman
QLD
692 posts
QLD, 692 posts
2 Oct 2009 8:45am
Taking things into the ocean changes everything again. The swell period, height and direction are some of the factors that will change the way these boards perform. Many of the local QLD shapers are doing a lot of R&D on these things and there are still a lot of different opinions out there on dispacement vs planing. It looks like we are leaning closer to a little of both in various parts of the board.

Your testing is a good start and very useful so keep on going with it. It keeps things interesting.
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