Jason on his new 9' 1" x 331/8" x 41/2"....he weighs 130kg
The board could carry 150kg

yep

for me;; short boards are great when you're on the wave but a pain in the arse the rest of the time.

longer boards make paddling easier, catching waves easier = more waves,,, balance better etc...



i use an 8 '28

i should try harder on a shorter board but i'm too lazy

Dean's short boards certainly look the goods. The only extra confirmation needed is pictures of our 130kg pilot standing comfortably waiting for waves in 15 knot cross onshore slop. There's nothing worse than missing a set because two opposing chops have hit you mid-turn and dropped you on your bum.

I'm also curious about straight line paddle speed. It's good to be able to chase down unbroken swells and get really early into bigger waves. Yaw problems can be fixed with a big enough fin.

If short boards are slower to paddle maybe it's a reasonable trade-off if you can take later drops more easily. My other pet hate is trying to get a big heavy board up to speed as a wave peaks behind me. Maybe a faster, narrower paddle is the go.

While I'm on a roll ... I don't think a long, fast board is necessary for flat water fitness paddling. Think of a road-bike/bike metaphor. I get the same workout with 30 minutes of riding on my mountain bike, I just don't travel as far and as fast (and don't piss off as many drivers on Beach Rd).

I agree on the Road bike vs mtn bike comparo but I'm not sure I agree on the short sup thing for flat water fitness paddling.

It still needs to be fun IMO and paddling a short board a long way on flat water is not much fun in my book... but then I used to paddle a big old plastic windsurfer all day and thought that was fun..

Congrats on the new board Lobes.

DJ

fun is subjective as well... I find it has more to do with the day and location than the craft you are on.

Nice Board Jason!
And though it doesn't seem that much bigger than Dale's it certainly floats you better.
It makes me think I went too big at 9' 6".

lookielookie said...

8'3 X 30 1/2 X 4 3/4.
6'... 95KG



like the idea of going longer instead of shorter and refining the overall shape.
like the flow and drive that a bigger board provides....working on a 10fter
What ever floats your boat though.....

hey hilton, i'll have to catch up with and see what you are up to
cheers

lookielookie said...

lacey said...

lookielookie said...

8'3 X 30 1/2 X 4 3/4.
6'... 95KG



like the idea of going longer instead of shorter and refining the overall shape.
like the flow and drive that a bigger board provides....working on a 10fter
What ever floats your boat though.....


hey hilton, i'll have to catch up with and see what you are up to
cheers

ive been avoiding you cause you drop in too much

can't have burleigh boys waltzing up to the alley and think your going to take all the good waves

Hey Gorgo,

I have seen Jason surf several times on his walden in average conditions and I dont think he ever looked comfortable.

Today at PRK the side wind was approx 25 - 35knots and it was just plane hard work, you can see the lumps and bumps and I have to say Jason was not struggling at all.

I saw him catch 2 waves and he had lovely flow on the board even though this was the first time in the surf.

Yet another Seabreeze Sacred Cow hits the BBQ.

Pass the chilli sauce!

Phill

Gorgo said...

Dean's short boards certainly look the goods. The only extra confirmation needed is pictures of our 130kg pilot standing comfortably waiting for waves in 15 knot cross onshore slop. There's nothing worse than missing a set because two opposing chops have hit you mid-turn and dropped you on your bum.

I'm also curious about straight line paddle speed. It's good to be able to chase down unbroken swells and get really early into bigger waves. Yaw problems can be fixed with a big enough fin.

If short boards are slower to paddle maybe it's a reasonable trade-off if you can take later drops more easily. My other pet hate is trying to get a big heavy board up to speed as a wave peaks behind me. Maybe a faster, narrower paddle is the go.

While I'm on a roll ... I don't think a long, fast board is necessary for flat water fitness paddling. Think of a road-bike/bike metaphor. I get the same workout with 30 minutes of riding on my mountain bike, I just don't travel as far and as fast (and don't piss off as many drivers on Beach Rd).

Do you need a board longer than 9' ?
For me one of the great things about Standup means moving away from the lineup (inc cranky mal riders etc etc).
The notion of trying to paddle a sub 9 or even 10' board >1km say at Rotto,Bali or outer reefs anywhere is madness for mine.
Also I want to be on bigger waves earlier as a safety issue.As Hilly has said in the past everything happens much faster in bigger stuff.
Even in the local crap here in metro Perth I hear the short SUPers suffering "Glyde Envy".
Precisely the reason my new Laguna is 10'4
Hilly was that your buddy GH on the Ski?
I thought he only towed in to shoulder height and smaller?

OG SUP said...
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Today at PRK the side wind was approx 25 - 35knots and it was just plane hard work, you can see the lumps and bumps and I have to say Jason was not struggling at all.

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Gorgo said...
... The only extra confirmation needed is pictures of our 130kg pilot standing comfortably waiting for waves in 15 knot cross onshore slop. ...

Yep. That's what I'm talking about.

Now we just need to cover off the glide issue and we're done.

That raises the question of how us normal punters get ourselves a suitably configured 9' SUP that works and floats and all that stuff ... I don't want to turn my garage into a shaping bay or lose kiting time carving into foam.

Dean sounds like he's busy churning out prototypes. The Naish Mana 9'5" sounds pretty good but a little heavy. Any good local shapers who can make a light, robust, floatable, 9'- SUP?

... and what is this secret revolutionary new SUP that JB is talking about?

Greg

i would like to hear about deans new flame board with that bit more rocker - how that went. i realize we are half a country apart, but just can't see a board that flat going that well on the goldie if you like surfing in and around the pocket.can a more rocker board be done?

LSD said...

lacey said...

i would like to hear about deans new flame board with that bit more rocker - how that went. i realize we are half a country apart, but just can't see a board that flat going that well on the goldie if you like surfing in and around the pocket.can a more rocker board be done?

Hi Lacey,
How much tail & nose rocker has your favorite stick got?, or what would you prefer for the waves you ride & the way you ride.
Cheers
Dean
ps....anything can be done

hi dean, well, i'm looking for enough nose rocker to allow me to go straight back down to the bottom of a wave pocket .most boards you have to feather off that direction because of nose diving and stepping right back on the tail sorta leaves me nowhere to drive off the bottom. one board that handles that is the woody jack i'm selling(because by the time i got it, it was too big-i had moved on). it's got about a bit under 8" of late-ish nose rocker,sort of like the goatman's new 8'9" lb. the other board that does well is the naish 8' 10". it's got about the same, but more smoother .
the trick is to still be able to the paddle a board with some beefy nose rocker i imagine
cheers
ps i understand what you are saying. that curve onthe board in the photo looks good

lacey said...

LSD said...

lacey said...

i would like to hear about deans new flame board with that bit more rocker - how that went. i realize we are half a country apart, but just can't see a board that flat going that well on the goldie if you like surfing in and around the pocket.can a more rocker board be done?

Hi Lacey,
How much tail & nose rocker has your favorite stick got?, or what would you prefer for the waves you ride & the way you ride.
Cheers
Dean
ps....anything can be done

hi dean, well, i'm looking for enough nose rocker to allow me to go straight back down to the bottom of a wave pocket .most boards you have to feather off that direction because of nose diving and stepping right back on the tail sorta leaves me nowhere to drive off the bottom. one board that handles that is the woody jack i'm selling(because by the time i got it, it was too big-i had moved on). it's got about a bit under 8" of late-ish nose rocker,sort of like the goatman's new 8'9" lb. the other board that does well is the naish 8' 10". it's got about the same, but more smoother .
the trick is to still be able to the paddle a board with some beefy nose rocker i imagine
cheers
ps i understand what you are saying. that curve onthe board in the photo looks good

I cant put into words how my green flame board goes, I think everyone would use a different bunch of words to convey this. A picture or vid is worth a thousand words. I will soon go back to the lizard board & confirm how the boards compare, it takes me heaps of waves to get a board dialed, but at this point they are similar, just a bit more flow & projection out of turns.
Lacy, is this your definition of "pocket surfing"? or you mean a more vertical drop after the top turn?

We havent had too many "pocket surfing" waves recently, its mainly run for your life stuf
Do you have any pics of a goldie pocket?, I'm interested to see what you'd class as a pocket. I've never surfed your up way.

Cheers
Dean
Ps.. I'm off to get some Rincon

Hey Phill........!! I've paid you to ONLY post the good ones.....whats going on!

hi guys, yeah lsd, you been scoring some waves by the looks for it. you are in the pocket on that biggie that's were all the action is.yes i'm more referring to a vert drop after a top turn like you said. i suppose its almost a fall line approach.hope i don't come off as a tosser
cheers