Fastest standup v/s kayak

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elbeau
elbeau
WA
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WA, 988 posts
18 Jan 2012 9:33pm
Sorry I haven't been taking much notice of flat water posts mainly being interested in

the surfing side of SUP. I met two travelers in long kayaks recently that had paddled

about 20 kilometers and they seemed to have done it with ease. I wonder how the top

line SUP cruisers would match it with these kayaks?
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
19 Jan 2012 10:28am
Kayak = much faster.

I'm not a fast paddler but I did a flat water 20k run on my Naish 17 a couple of weekends ago at a steady, relaxed tempo & took just under 3 hours. I was passed easily by a handful of sea kayakers who weren't working hard.
HerbertVoigt
HerbertVoigt
QLD
155 posts
QLD, 155 posts
19 Jan 2012 9:41am
Hi Elbeau

I agree with HC. For something a bit more detailed you might want to compare the times of the fastest SUP with the fastest ocean ski at this week's Dr race in Perth, it will give you bit more of an idea of how much difference there can be.

Cheers
HV
ShireSUP
ShireSUP
NSW
982 posts
NSW, 982 posts
19 Jan 2012 12:18pm
Similar but in my case max 10 kms and it took about 2 hours at a relaxed pace, however I am not sure I would want to be sitting on my fat arse for that long, do enough of that through the week at work
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
19 Jan 2012 10:24am
HerbertVoigt said...

Hi Elbeau

I agree with HC. For something a bit more detailed you might want to compare the times of the fastest SUP with the fastest ocean ski at this week's Dr race in Perth, it will give you bit more of an idea of how much difference there can be.

Cheers
HV


I think there will be huge differences in times between ski and sup in this weekends Dr race. Last year I think the fastest ski's were about 1 hour 40 mins and the fastest sup was about 2 hours 40 mins.
elbeau
elbeau
WA
988 posts
WA, 988 posts
19 Jan 2012 10:44am
Thanks everyone. There is a clear advantage to the kayak in speed. There are other

advantages for SUP of course.
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
19 Jan 2012 4:10pm
elbeau said...

There are other advantages for SUP of course.


Not least among them is it's way cooler .
CMC
CMC
QLD
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CMC CMC
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19 Jan 2012 3:16pm
HumanCartoon said...

elbeau said...

There are other advantages for SUP of course.


Not least among them is it's way cooler .


I'm sure many surf ski paddlers would argue that point, I know quite a few that would actually.

One by one they call me though, 'what do you think of this brand?', 'This was cheap, are they OK?' Like domino's!
Scotty88
Scotty88
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4214 posts
19 Jan 2012 1:46pm
Sup is the closest you can get to feeling like you are walking on water. Just wouldn't find paddling on my backside relaxing.
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
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19 Jan 2012 6:45pm
ShireSUP said...

Similar but in my case max 10 kms and it took about 2 hours at a relaxed pace, however I am not sure I would want to be sitting on my fat arse for that long, do enough of that through the week at work


Haha, yeah I lost my paddle in a fall this morning and it got swept away out of site. I had to prone paddle 2km back to my car. Don't know how those prone paddleboarders do it. I could never sustain that much effort for 2 hours lying flat, at least not without some sort of nasal delivery technology.
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
19 Jan 2012 7:58pm
PTWoody said...
Haha, yeah I lost my paddle in a fall this morning and it got swept away out of site.


Oh No...not the Wiki? Did you recover it?
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
19 Jan 2012 5:15pm
elbeau said...

Thanks everyone. There is a clear advantage to the kayak in speed. There are other advantages for SUP of course.


Somewhere to put your lunch?
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
19 Jan 2012 8:35pm
Being fairly new to the whole SUP thing but absolutely stoked on it I have found a few things out.
Ive paddled a Fanatic 14'0 with mates who paddle kayaks and its chalk and cheese. They kill me. But its a heap better sensation SUPing
I dislocated my knee and tore my ACL just before New Year in a windsurfing stack.
So to keep from going nuts I have taken to prone paddling my SUP to:
a: get out on the water
b: stop me from driving wife and daughter nuts.
Ive surfed from when I was a grom but my neck is killing me from holding it up(in a good way), I have the sorest nipples from continous contact with grip deck (duct tape is your friend) and I cannot paddle continously for longer than I normally SUP. Totally agree with PTwoody, its bloody hard work but Im loving it as Im doing something on the water
Plus I stop every half a k or so and do my physio exercises which feel much better in the water.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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19 Jan 2012 8:04pm
i don't even know why this is a post. talk about the bleeding obvious
hilly
hilly
WA
8131 posts
WA, 8131 posts
19 Jan 2012 6:14pm
ka43 said...

Being fairly new to the whole SUP thing but absolutely stoked on it I have found a few things out.
Ive paddled a Fanatic 14'0 with mates who paddle kayaks and its chalk and cheese. They kill me. But its a heap better sensation SUPing
I dislocated my knee and tore my ACL just before New Year in a windsurfing stack.
So to keep from going nuts I have taken to prone paddling my SUP to:
a: get out on the water
b: stop me from driving wife and daughter nuts.
Ive surfed from when I was a grom but my neck is killing me from holding it up(in a good way), I have the sorest nipples from continous contact with grip deck (duct tape is your friend) and I cannot paddle continously for longer than I normally SUP. Totally agree with PTwoody, its bloody hard work but Im loving it as Im doing something on the water
Plus I stop every half a k or so and do my physio exercises which feel much better in the water.

Did my knee kiting. MCL, PCL and fractures. SUP is your friend for rehab. Really small board wobble works those leg muscles big time, bike is good too. Good luck
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
19 Jan 2012 9:21pm
laceys lane said...

i don't even know why this is a post. talk about the bleeding obvious


Slow news day.
JonathanC
JonathanC
VIC
1024 posts
VIC, 1024 posts
19 Jan 2012 9:50pm
Just came home from an awesome ski paddle that would have been a crap sup paddle, 10 to 15 knot wind swell mixed with very close ocean swell, choppy and confused.

The ski just powers up wind effortlessly through that crap and somehow manages to 'find' the runners on the way back.

IMO there is a place for both in the quiver, and right now I can't stop thinking how much fun an outrigger canoes would be, then I switch to wondering if the 7'7 x 27 would be too small in the surf, then is there too much rocker on the 14' Open Ocean......on and on and on like the windmills of your mind.....
colas
colas
5388 posts
5388 posts
20 Jan 2012 6:18pm
I had to prone paddle 2km back to my car. Don't know how those prone paddleboarders do it. I could never sustain that much effort for 2 hours lying flat, at least not without some sort of nasal delivery technology.


I had to get back prone paddling from an outer reef after a 5 hour session when my paddle broke (heavy wipeout, fell on it). I tried to prone paddle the "normal" way but couldn't keep it for more than 100m (tired + some years without prone paddling anymore). So I tried different techniques, and found that the best one was to:

- lay one arm extended, straight ahead flat on the board
- paddle 5-6 strokes with the other arm, and change arm.
- try to relax all the shoulder, neck and upper body muscles as much as possible by resting the head (on chin/cheek) on board/arm

It works astonishingly well and was able to do a one mile paddling without stopping and feeling that I could go on for miles this way. A very important survival technique.
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