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Aramathorn
Aramathorn
VIC
117 posts
VIC, 117 posts
25 Jul 2013 10:41pm
Hi Everyone,

I have been doing a lot of reading and am going to buy a SUP. The local shops in Torquay will rent out their demo boards but I thought I'd ask a few questions first to get an idea of what I should be trying before I be buying .

A little about me: I am 6'4" and weigh about 117kg ( I have started swimming again so hopefully will be down to 105-107 by the summer). I am not the most flexible person, and after a summer of trying to learn to surf but unable to master the pop-up, I have been told to go this route (by a friend who believes SUP'ng is the best thing ever, and before you ask, he is much lighter than me so I can't try out his board).

I would like something that I can learn on but can eventually surf well with. I don't imagine I'll be surfing anything huge though, just small to medium waves but I would like something that can maneuver reasonably well. Am I asking too much as a beginner?

I appreciate any helpful suggestions.
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
25 Jul 2013 10:56pm


10 foot x 32 "
waxer
waxer
SA
247 posts
SA, 247 posts
25 Jul 2013 10:55pm
Naish Mana 10'2",or if funds are tight NSP 10'2".Check the forum buy and sell section for some good deals.
Aramathorn
Aramathorn
VIC
117 posts
VIC, 117 posts
25 Jul 2013 11:33pm
Thanks for the input SandS and waxer.

When I look at the specs for those boards, they recommend a max weight of 105 kg. Is it a problem to weight 10-12 kg more?
waxer
waxer
SA
247 posts
SA, 247 posts
25 Jul 2013 11:32pm
Demo a few boards to get a feel for it.They are pretty chunky boards ,they do yoga on them.Great incentive to drop the kilos
EToriginal
EToriginal
QLD
95 posts
QLD, 95 posts
26 Jul 2013 12:06am
Aramathorn, I'm a newbie-ish (about 3-4 months now) 6'1 and was around 96kg. Couldn't surf either, so tried SUP.
Had a crappie big no-name board for a while then got my Fanatic Allwave 9'6. At first I thought it was too small but now I feel I'd like to drop down to the 9'2 already. Its just so stable, so easy to catch a wave. so easy to ride the wave - the bigger the wave the better it goes. I've hammered it so hard in the last few months I've lost 6kg myself and still going. Its also very light (less than 9kg) so I can easily carry it over our deserted dunes around here and get to those nice lonely breaks. Just waiting for a new side fin at the moment (smashed last weekend) The camels take a long time to get mail here at Agnes.
Zeusman
Zeusman
QLD
1363 posts
QLD, 1363 posts
26 Jul 2013 6:34am
My opinion, at your current weight, is look for someting 10'6"-11'6". Minimum 30" wide. Heaps of great used boards on buy n sell. I also strongly advise that you stick with learning to surf on a longboard before you take a SUP out in the surf. It is important to understand surfing & surfing etiquette before taking a big SUP out into a surf lineup. For your own safety & for those around you.
Aramathorn
Aramathorn
VIC
117 posts
VIC, 117 posts
26 Jul 2013 7:06am
thanks for the replies, will take the advice and demo a few boards first.

This may be for another topic, but I see that a few of the recommendations are for a 10' board, which are recommended for riders 75-95 kg (depending on the make). My question is: If I take it out on flat water, will I be too much weight and sit low in the water?
EToriginal
EToriginal
QLD
95 posts
QLD, 95 posts
26 Jul 2013 8:47am
What I forgot to say was I reckon if you're serious and determined, don't muck around with rubbish, get quality straight up. At your size I'm sure a Fanatic 9'10 will be heaps. My 9'6 is a foot shorter than the old board but more stable and as I said takes off on waves so much easier. Once you get into it, I guarantee you start losing a lot of weight quickly.
And yes don't go out in crowded breaks to learn - these can be dangerous weapons rolling around in surf. I still keep away from the crowds (which is easy to do here)
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
26 Jul 2013 8:51am
Aramathorn said..

thanks for the replies, will take the advice and demo a few boards first.

This may be for another topic, but I see that a few of the recommendations are for a 10' board, which are recommended for riders 75-95 kg (depending on the make). My question is: If I take it out on flat water, will I be too much weight and sit low in the water?


IMO.. Yes.. At your height and weight I think you need a bigger board.

I think a board like the 10'10" x 32" Nalu would be a good choice and I wouldn't go any smaller.

Here.. http://naishsurfing.com/Nalu%2010.10%20GT/

DJ

Aramathorn
Aramathorn
VIC
117 posts
VIC, 117 posts
26 Jul 2013 8:41pm
Thanks for all the input guys. I went to Strapper Surf today and it looks like they only have the 10' NSP and the 10' Naish Mana to try out. So next weekend I hope to start the demo and see how I go. They are pretty helpful and can order in anything, but will have to start with the 10' boards and see if they are able to hold me.
ShireSUP
ShireSUP
NSW
982 posts
NSW, 982 posts
26 Jul 2013 10:20pm
Zeusman said..

My opinion, at your current weight, is look for someting 10'6"-11'6". Minimum 30" wide. Heaps of great used boards on buy n sell. I also strongly advise that you stick with learning to surf on a longboard before you take a SUP out in the surf. It is important to understand surfing & surfing etiquette before taking a big SUP out into a surf lineup. For your own safety & for those around you.


I'm with the Zeusman on this and to be frank all these others are well......lightweights , I'm almost 5'10 and was 125 kgs.

Personally when starting out, width is your friend. I had a starboard avanti 11'2 x 36 that might be a bit big. I know have a JP Fusion 10'8 x 34 and love it.

Better to stand up and have fun that stand up fall off and struggle..................BUT!!!!!!!!!!! keep away from the lineup find the crappy surf until you get your feet as it were.

Good luck from one OFB to another
DaveyG
DaveyG
QLD
96 posts
QLD, 96 posts
26 Jul 2013 10:34pm
Fanatic Allround 10'6 x 32" would be ideal. Stable, light and can catch a wave if required. Anything smaller you will struggle on at first - on this board you will be comfortable straight away. I have the 9'6" Allwave and it too is a great board. All depends on whether you want a goo flatwater board or something with more of a surf emphasis.

As mentioned demo if you can and pick something taht you like the size/look/price of...
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
QLD, 918 posts
27 Jul 2013 11:36am
Hey bud, not the advice you asked for but mine is stay out of the waves for a while. You will struggle to the point of frustration in anything but flat glass water until you build your stabiliser muscles up and drop a few kg. it's still heaps of fun in the rivers exploring and getting your technique down, learning pivot turns and stuff like that... Watch a bunch of you tube vids to get tips and pointers as well... It is going to be tough for you at first but don give up, just getting your bulk up to your feet each time you fall is going to make you drop kegs double time... Good on you....so much better than the gym...
I'd be interested in hearing about your progress so post in from time to time...
Have fun
Leroy13
Leroy13
VIC
1174 posts
VIC, 1174 posts
27 Jul 2013 1:51pm
Hi Aramathorn, welcome to Seabreeze where everybody has an opinion and they are allowed to. You say that you are learning to surf, well SUP's can be extremely dangerous to yourself and others in surf. Stay on the flat until you can do a pivot turn both ways, (step back and sink the tail and give two paddles to turn it 180 degress.) That will let you know you have the balance to maintain your stability in the moving water of the surf. Once you can do that, and you may master it in twenty minutes or two days, start by going out in uncrowded spots until you know for sure you can turn your board to avoid collisions with other surfers and swimmers. You might not ever use the pivot in the surf but it is a good indicator of your increased control and stability on the board.
IMHO at your height and weight the 9'10" Fanatic Allwave would be an ideal stock board for you to do everything you want to for about 12 months, and I don't reckon you'll ever sell it. They paddle really well on the flat are incredibly stable and have amazing turning ability. . In the end what you can do on a board comes down to your or the surfer's ability not the board. There is a clip of an add on YouTube where Kelly Slater surfs a Door whilst holding a briefcase and wearing a suit. For your ability and size, BTW I don't think guys giving advice realise at that height and weight you are not particularlyoverweight so you are probably pretty fit. If you were a wee bit shorter I'd recommend the 9'6" Allwave you may even want to try one after demoing the 9'10".
Once you have mastered the art of paddling and surfing on the first board you buy, I would then recommend buying a custom board. Talk then to Laguna Bay, Deep, DC, there are a heap of guys locally as well, just ask on here. Sparx rides customs made in Vic and they are amazing, but again he is a very good surfer. For the purchase or Demo of Fanatics there is a guy in Jan Juc, Mick is first name that is a dealer, I'm pretty sure his business is called CORE Watersports? Just ask Rich at strapper. If you are in Melbourne, try RPS the boardstore in Elsternwick and ask for Warwick. Another alternative is the 10'2" PSH paddler package that they were still advertising on the SHQ ( Sandringham) website for under $1000.00 last time I looked. It's 33" wide but because of the chines on the bottom surfs much shorter. They are heavy board but are a great design and include a cheap Fibreglass Paddle which you'll break after about 6 months, but that will have given you enough time to save up to research the purchase of a good paddle such as a Ke Nalu, Quikblade or Kialoha. Good Luck with it all, it's the best sport in the world and you will never want to bother with Longboards or shortboards after you become proficient at it.

Cheers and Mahalo Leroy.
PM me if you need or want any more info.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
27 Jul 2013 1:58pm
Ill put in a 3rd vote for Fanatic Allwave - I got a 9'6, weigh ~ 97 kegs, its a great board.

I am actually more pumped about riding this thing than my shortboards! Its cool because its very stable, and it also surfs pretty damn well. It will def keep you amped while you learn all the way thru till you are ripping waves with confidence!

I tried out a higher performance board the other day and was itching to get back on the Allwave, its great having all that volume in the nose so you can play around with hang 10's and stuff, and also turns ok when you get your feet in the sweet spot
colas
colas
5385 posts
5385 posts
27 Jul 2013 5:14pm
At your height and weight, I would urge you to go long and wide. Something at least 10' x 35" (even 37"). Very wide boards are so much FUN for big beginners, it is no worth suffering on a narrow board.

I would second the suggestion to also keep learning surfing prone, but there again, on a board with a lot of volume and width. Surfers are not used to pay attention to the volume of your boards, but it changes a lot of things. Just realise that when you see a longboarder knee-paddling above water, its board must have more volume than your weight (in kg). So try to get a longboard of at least 120 litres

For instance, in the picture below, the submerged part of the board has volume of liters equal to the guy weight in kg. Add the volume of the board out of the water, and you see that his board volume may be close to 130 - 140% his weight...
Aramathorn
Aramathorn
VIC
117 posts
VIC, 117 posts
28 Jul 2013 2:51am
Thanks everyone again for all the helpful advice and comments. I plan on starting out on flat water well until I get the hang of the board. I am also not unfamiliar with surf etiquette as I have grown up going to the beaches in southern California body-boarding and body-surfing, just not surfing until this year. Anyway, I plan to hang out around the edges when I do eventually get going in the surf.

Leroy13- Thank you very much for the name of CORE watersports! I will give them a call and have a chat with them. I have heard of Rich and Strapper which is my go-to surf store as they did right by me when I bought my longboard. When I was in there on Friday, there was a young guy who was friendly enough, but didn't know much about SUP and just recommended the 10'0" NSP and Naish Mana that they had in stock. I don't plan on buying another one for a while so I would like my purchase to be something I can learn on and advance with. CORE sounds like the place to work with you to get a good fit.

BennyB12- Thanks for your comments as as well, will continue to post on my progress.

So many choices to choose from! Will demo a few and then post what I end up buying.
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