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DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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4 Apr 2008 1:55am
Check out this..

Who says you can't rip on a big ol' 11'6" sup with a sail on it..

DJ

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jord070
jord070
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3 Apr 2008 11:33pm
that is insane
JB
JB
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JB JB
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4 Apr 2008 8:51am
I love sailing my SUP, it is so much fun. It works best in under 10 knots. You can ride over head waves, and the water is perfect. Too much fun to be had sailing the SUP. I recommend trying it to every one.

JB
moonez
moonez
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4 Apr 2008 11:47am
hi Jb could you tell what size sail do use under 10knt wind? thanks sergio
champcrow
champcrow
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4 Apr 2008 11:28am
Yeah JB i would like to know which is the best sail for the naish 11'6 in those conditions as i have never windsurfed before but i know a guy who is going to show me and if i like it i would like to buy one for my naish.

cheers
JB
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JB JB
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4 Apr 2008 12:02pm
Hi Sergio,

I always use a 4.7m Naish Force no matter how windy it is. The main goal is to keep the rig as light as possible. I weighted all the sails and found that the 4.7m had the most power for the lightest weight. For sail supping in light wind you want to keep the board as responsive as possible, so the least amount of mast foot pressuse the better. I find I sail about a fast as I paddle in 5-8 knots, but I can definately catch more waves with the sail. Once your on the wave it is crazy, the first thing that happens is your sail back winds from the board speed as you go down the face, but then, as you bottom turn and build your apparent wind up the power comes back on and you can sail like you would 20+ knots because the SUP keeps your board speed up through all the turns. It is a lot of fun. I have ridden well over head waves in under 10 knots, and it was so much fun.

JB
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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4 Apr 2008 12:47pm
I agree with JB on the smaller is better thing.

I plan to use my 5.0 in the waves and my 5.7 for cruising around on flat water.

Even at the peak of my wavesailing days I've always likes smaller/lighter rigs.

It's also a long boom thing for me..Long booms suck..

I just picked up a new mast base to use on my 11'6"..

DJ



Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
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4 Apr 2008 10:59pm
For learning to windsurf on a SUP board, around 5m would be the go for sure. But you wave riding I totally disagree with JB. SUP boards are so big that a 5.5 or 5.8m wave sail feels tiny anyway and the sail when wave sailing actually provides drive into turns. I use a 5.8m sail quite often with a 92 litre board and its fine. The boom length on later model sails is not a problem in 0 to 12 knots of wind.
JB
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JB JB
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7 Apr 2008 1:35pm
Scotty, I would agree with you for more sail orientated riding, but in sub 10 knots, your sail isn't doing all that much driving. You can ride in near drifting conditions (3+ knots) and still ride well on waves if you keep the rig light. If it's windy enough to drive off the rig, it's probably getting close to windsurfable.

But the beauity of sup is you can what ever you want.

JB
DavidJohn
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7 Apr 2008 5:23pm
Scotty...I think a slightly bigger sail pumps better also..You can pump a small sail all you like in light wind and it doesn't do much at all.

So if you're into pumpimg..Bigger might be better....

Or for trying to get onto the plane..a slightly bigger sail will help there.

But imo there's nothing better than riding a wave with a small light rig.

DJ
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
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7 Apr 2008 7:06pm
Yeah JB,
Everyone is free to do as they like.

The point I am making is when you are actually on a wave, the board is planing and apparient wind is generated. With a bigger sail, this power is more evident and you can use this power to drive tighter turns. Thats is even in 5 knots.
Side to offshore conditions is direction that you should be looking for to do light wind wavesailing on you SUP.

You should borrow a 5.7 force, they are very light sails. Give it a try, I will be surprised if you don't like it better than a 4.7

Regards,
Scotty
JB
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JB JB
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8 Apr 2008 9:48am
I have tried 5.7's and 6.2's, and they are good to get some extra sail power. But you can't snap the board as hard with that much mast foot pressure. You can drive into and out of your turns using the sail, but you can't step back and really use the tail of the board and back foot slam it round. I would even go smaller than 4.7 if I wasn't so big. In cross off conditions the sail power is good I agree for more sail orientated riding, but I am really trying to maximize the board potential. I ride in cross on conditions most of the time unfortunately, and I really find a light rig is awesome, especially for upwind riding, but also for passing through the winds direction and hitting the lip clew first down the line. I like to use the board a lot like I'm actually surfing to get my speed, I pretty much just use the sail as if it were my paddle.

Anyway, I think both styles look great, and it is definately worth trying both to see what appeals to you. Sup has so many variables, 12' - 7', long paddles - short paddles, large blades - small blades, big rigs - small rigs, and the best thing is they all work in nearly every condition so you can totally customize you gear to what you like, not what is needed for conditions.

It weird for me because the type of wavesailing I like on a SUP is totally different to the way I windsurf, I am normally way over rigged, and love the power, but a lot of that is because I'm 95kg, and it's hard to wave sail using small gear unless it's over 25 knots. The Sup feels so nice and free, and I love the small sail feeling. I don't even own a wave board at the moment because I just ride my SUP, and I'm having so much fun!

Keep trying stuff, and use what works for you.

JB
moonez
moonez
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9 Apr 2008 1:58am
hi JB thanks for your reply....what do you think about footstraps in sup?better with or without footstrap?regards sergio
JB
JB
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JB JB
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9 Apr 2008 9:14am
I love it with out footstraps. Being able to walk the board is great, you can really surf the waves at a different level to what you can do on a sailboard. I have a tail block on my board as far back as possible, and when you get back there the board is really snappy, and you can slam it round like your riding in world class conditions, footstraps would restrict such moves. I also like biasing my back foot to the rail I am driving off to concentrate more power through the turn. I actually change rails with my back foot between bottom turn and top turn. This gives you so much more power than you would ever have with your foot stuck in the middle of the board. It's also really cool fun nose riding, and going into heli spins and doing flaka's and stuff with your rig on the wave, adds a real other deimention to wave freestyle. But I would imagine riding is stronger winds and big waves Foot straps may be of a benefit, but I would probably ride a sailboard in those conditions, actually, no bring on the challenge! The best thing is experimenting, I love being able to do all the things I can't do on a sailboard because of wind and wave restrictions, it's like re-writing the rule book for wave sailing.

I don't know if it will ever happen, but I think maybe there will be a new breed of wave sailor. Like what is happening in Kitesuring, sailboarders may start riding their boards with out straps, could be interesting.......

JB
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
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9 Apr 2008 10:33am
What board is that in the pics?
JB
JB
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JB JB
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9 Apr 2008 10:53am
Don't know what the top board is in the sequence, but the wood deck board is a Naish SUP.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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9 Apr 2008 12:06pm
Crash Landing said...

What board is that in the pics?


This is what type of board it is...

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Longboard Wavesailing Revolution
Here are shots of Patrice Belbeoch laying into some meaty waves on the 11'5" Exocet Kona...you can see how these new longboards can bottom turn on critical sections of the wave...also, of note is how he's charging the lippers...
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DJ

Crash Landing
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9 Apr 2008 2:42pm
Thanks! Now I know what to buy!
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