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TimKay
TimKay
752 posts
752 posts
15 Jan 2012 10:08pm
Not sure how everyone would feel about this but I think it would be a good idea if people learnt how to surf before they take a sup out into the surf
All the basics as well as lineup etiquette not to mention the safety of others would be more easily picked up by taking out a less dangerous piece of equipment first (short board, bodyboard etc)
Now don't get confused, I'm not saying don't take them in the surf
Just that maybe it's not the best idea when you have no surfing experience
Sometimes I think the people that come from flat water sports are way too irresponsible when they enter the lineup
As witnessed on the weekend
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
16 Jan 2012 1:19am
I sort of agree with you , but.... I think that natural selection will sort out the problem for you, if someone hasn't surfed much before they will not be in the take off zone anyhow, they would poop them selves and stay wide anyway.

All these perceived problems will sort themselves out

Night now.
Jack Mack
Jack Mack
NSW
343 posts
NSW, 343 posts
16 Jan 2012 6:50am
blah blah blah
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
16 Jan 2012 6:56am
you know what they say about opinions.
Flounder
Flounder
QLD
137 posts
QLD, 137 posts
16 Jan 2012 7:47am
Good Point TimKay and tactfully put. Were you at Currumbin Alley by any chance? Quite often one or two SUP riders out there who don't seem to have a clue and unfortunately are an embarrassment to all the other guys who are competent and trying to do the right thing.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:23am
Tim I hear ya loud and clear. Sadly this is the same point that comes up over and over. Its not the craft Tim its the individual. Although SUP's are perceived to be more dangerous than other surf craft I can think of 100 more times I was almost run down by kooks on surfboards when I lived in Manly. An out of control punter on a thruster coming at ya is a pretty horrifying ordeal. At least with the SUP you can see them and have time to manage the situation! The number of SUP beginners in the surf relative to other craft is very low in most places. I think that all beginners regardless of craft should steer clear of some areas. Sadly this will never be the case and we just need to get on with it and try and be pro-active. Offer advice to those in need and suggest that they go elsewhere if practical to continue their learnings - eg a beachie just down the way with crappy banks. In Manly there are surf-schools that opperate on the main beach - they do a great job in trying to educate their students and position the surf school practicals out of the way of the good banks. Sadly though there are multiple outlets that rent boards out to all and sundry who do not really have any idea about what is happening and just paddle out anywhere and cause chaos. Not too mention all the summer tourists who roll into town and buy their piece of fiberglass and get straight into it with out the slightest idea about safety or etiquette. I stopped in at the Goldie last year on the way back from Nossa. There was a decent 4 foot swell running and I was stoked - headed to the Snapper for a look and ended up flagging the surf and having a yummy lunch at the Rainbow SLSC instead. Why? Well I counted over 160 people in the water - no SUP's - the number of drop-in's , burns and maddness was frightening. Not too mention everyone paddling for the shoulder instead of taking the wave on the head and ruining the person's ride. We sat there having lunch and could not believe that there weren't a high number of injuries as a result of what was going down. I was too scared to go out there - due to the maddness. Call me a whimp but I do not fancy a any type of fibergalss coming at me from an out of control muppet or someone who should know better. I just think that we all need to look out for each other a bit more regardless of the craft and offer help to those that need it and tell others who should know better to pull their heads in. Its time the blame game stopped and pro-active action was taken. The solution is not to ban - the ocean is for all people to enjoy. It should be about trying to get everyone to work together in a safe and fun environment.
Janbruun
Janbruun
NSW
246 posts
NSW, 246 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:29am
Well put kiwi I agree.
shimmyshazbo
shimmyshazbo
QLD
251 posts
QLD, 251 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:02am
this topic has been done to death. next.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
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16 Jan 2012 10:29am
As a newbie to surfing (w/surf ok & sup ok on flatwater & in small stuff)...I attempted my first real sup sesh on a local bommie (3-4ft waves) yesterday...to be honest, I spent most of the time falling off & struggling with the current. Didn't manage a single wave, unless I count the one I caught on my knees whilst recovering from being smashed by a couple of big sets. The main reason I had a go was because no-one else was out there apart from a mate that went with me, who has surfed/sup'd for a few years and had no probs with catching waves in the conditions.

Anyway, my point is - whilst I agree with all comments above (especially Jack Mack's), unless there is a good break that regular surfers/sup'ers will leave alone for beginners, this will always be the case. As for me, I don't have the audacity to nudge shoulders with 'actual' surfer/sup'ers and also realise the dangers of my own lack of experience, I'm also not keen on showing off my (lack of) ability, so I'll continue to seek out the waves where no-one can see me flail around like an epileptic with a paddle until I am competent enough to surf alongside others.
hilly
hilly
WA
8131 posts
WA, 8131 posts
16 Jan 2012 7:53am
Old chestnut. We just need this as a sticky so it does not come up again and again:

www.paddlesurfhawaii.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
Jradedmondo
Jradedmondo
NSW
637 posts
NSW, 637 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:49am
i spose it's not a bad idea for beginners to have some idea of the basics before they venture out into the lineup.we just have to remember that we were all learners at one time or another.

Jarryd
TimKay
TimKay
752 posts
752 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:06am
shimmyshazbo said...

this topic has been done to death. next.


Yeah it probably has been done to death
But on the weekend a poor kid was nearly put to death due to a learner sup
Obviously the message isn't reaching some
ShireSUP
ShireSUP
NSW
982 posts
NSW, 982 posts
16 Jan 2012 12:21pm
As a relative newbie I can concur with most of the comments, however I found when I went out into the littlest bad bit of beach break away from the SBs and mals all of a sudden I would have 2 or 3 others and then 5 or 6 all on this crappy little piece of beach break.

Thanks goodness I have the Bay where I was this morning, the waves are small and straight that dont suit SBs or Mals, and its mostly SUPers, long skis and OCs and we just share the waves and being straight theres plenty of party waves.

When I do go to Cronulla I now go real early before everyone else is up and normally get a good 30 mins to myself or with 1 or 2 others
Leroy13
Leroy13
VIC
1174 posts
VIC, 1174 posts
16 Jan 2012 1:28pm
Ok, I get it, and agree with it. What drives me insane is when I paddle over to an unoccupied peak and catch a couple of nice waves. I've surfed a long time and quite often can make the wave look better than it is by using the SUP's ability to enter into waves early. It usually takes about 10 minutes then a dozen or so Mal riders will paddle over to the shoulder and start the drop in on the SUP rider routine, go right on lefts, etc. I usually paddle away to the next peak and let them have it for ten minutes or so. They realise they can't make it, follow me again and I go back to the original peak. it's a process that I might have to do three or four times in a two to three hour surf session, and drives me crazy on small days. Fortunately when it's bigger those guys aren't out.
Everybody goes on about SUP riders but I reckon fully 80% of Mal Riders are kooks who can't afford a Harley Davidson. If you can surf then you won't hit anyone and you know how to evade the morons. I've definitely put the mozz on myself now!
matt18
matt18
VIC
534 posts
VIC, 534 posts
16 Jan 2012 2:55pm
this video has helped me alot

leo those mal ridrs just like to follow you
CMC
CMC
QLD
3954 posts
CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
16 Jan 2012 2:22pm
Unless of course you look like Marissa, then I'm sure you'll have no dramas where you go with your shiny new SUP.
Leroy13
Leroy13
VIC
1174 posts
VIC, 1174 posts
16 Jan 2012 5:49pm
Hey Matt does Fi know about getting wet with Marissa? I'm sure thinking about a wet Marissa.
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
16 Jan 2012 3:28pm
Not again this is so last year
gumballs
gumballs
NSW
408 posts
NSW, 408 posts
16 Jan 2012 6:38pm
Leroy13 said...

Ok, I get it, and agree with it. What drives me insane is when I paddle over to an unoccupied peak and catch a couple of nice waves. I've surfed a long time and quite often can make the wave look better than it is by using the SUP's ability to enter into waves early. It usually takes about 10 minutes then a dozen or so Mal riders will paddle over to the shoulder and start the drop in on the SUP rider routine, go right on lefts, etc. I usually paddle away to the next peak and let them have it for ten minutes or so. They realise they can't make it, follow me again and I go back to the original peak. it's a process that I might have to do three or four times in a two to three hour surf session, and drives me crazy on small days. Fortunately when it's bigger those guys aren't out.
Everybody goes on about SUP riders but I reckon fully 80% of Mal Riders are kooks who can't afford a Harley Davidson. If you can surf then you won't hit anyone and you know how to evade the morons. I've definitely put the mozz on myself now!

Im hearing ya mate.
gregc
gregc
VIC
1299 posts
VIC, 1299 posts
16 Jan 2012 6:46pm
yes I shall use this video as a ............... training aid
maxeaus
maxeaus
NSW
326 posts
NSW, 326 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:40pm
Sailhack said...

As a newbie to surfing (w/surf ok & sup ok on flatwater & in small stuff)...I attempted my first real sup sesh on a local bommie (3-4ft waves) yesterday...to be honest, I spent most of the time falling off & struggling with the current. Didn't manage a single wave, unless I count the one I caught on my knees whilst recovering from being smashed by a couple of big sets. The main reason I had a go was because no-one else was out there apart from a mate that went with me, who has surfed/sup'd for a few years and had no probs with catching waves in the conditions.

Anyway, my point is - whilst I agree with all comments above (especially Jack Mack's), unless there is a good break that regular surfers/sup'ers will leave alone for beginners, this will always be the case. As for me, I don't have the audacity to nudge shoulders with 'actual' surfer/sup'ers and also realise the dangers of my own lack of experience, I'm also not keen on showing off my (lack of) ability, so I'll continue to seek out the waves where no-one can see me flail around like an epileptic with a paddle until I am competent enough to surf alongside others.


After spending my first 4 days with my redair 10'6" killing it on the flat water i decided to try my skills in the surf, luckily for me i forgot my legrope up at Toowoon Bay because i would of got smashed given the strong wind and choppy 2' to 4'surf today.

I saw two guys struggling, 1 at Toowoon Bay and the other at Bateau Bay, they were most likely bloody good in hindsight but i thought they were probably new to SUP, little did i know until i went in later on at the north end of Putty beach without any breakers but a lot of swell refraction and cross wind, i lasted about 20/25 minutes up on the board and about another 20/25 minutes resting sitting down as my feet were cramping, needless to say at about 35 minutes into it i fell off for the first time when a gust of wind got a hold of me, how i managed to stay up that long im still amazed as i was looking like the biggest kook the whole time.

I still didn't catch a wave either, and i come from 20 years of surfing experience, the waves don't faze me, its the balance of trying to remain standing with the wind and swell and and chop that's the real bugger.

Basically it should be noted in capital letters on the receipt when you buy a board,

SUP IS MUCH EASIER THAN IT LOOKS ON FLAT WATER BUT IS MUCH HARDER THAN IT LOOKS IN THE SURF, read and repeat 3 times.
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