Let's destroy Kirra

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Dexy
Dexy
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28 Dec 2013 3:11pm
Here we go go again folks. The proposal to create a massive cruise ship terminal, residential complex and casino precinct 1km along Kirra foreshore and stretching 1km out to sea has been relaunched, and this time it's serious. If you're against this disgusting proposal please go to the Save Our Southern Beaches Facebook Page and like it and stay tuned to get involved. Sit on our hands and it WILL happen. It's up to us to protect the environment and our children's heritage from the greed brigade. There are other ways to create jobs without destroying the Gold Coast coast line for ever, this is all all about trying to get the magic casino license.
supallday
supallday
84 posts
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28 Dec 2013 1:16pm
What a joke how could this even be considered. Potential to ruin the entire southern end of GC's beaches and marine life.



husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
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28 Dec 2013 4:08pm
IMO not only would it ruin Kirra, but definitely Greeny through to Snapper and even a chance of affecting Currumbin in following years. As far as jobs go, it will be like Light rail, most jobs will go to outside specialist contractors. The white shoe brigade is back in action. Russ Hinze would have a hard on in his grave.
foamballer
foamballer
NSW
406 posts
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28 Dec 2013 5:28pm
Apart from the obvious impacts on Kirra and yet another eyesore on the beach, there'd be a huge erosion risk for many kilometres northward, and the harbour would fill with sand - so you could expect constant dredging operations to keep an open channel and usable depth in the harbour. The swell would be such that the harbour would only be approachable maybe 10% of the time - so the second stage of the proposal would be an offshore wave break. It's one of the more ludicrous proposals I've seen, and I've seen a few.
Ashmullet
Ashmullet
NSW
282 posts
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28 Dec 2013 6:20pm
I thought society was worried about ocean levels rising?..the white shoe investors must know something we don't !,,surfers unite this is craaaaazy
teatrea
teatrea
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28 Dec 2013 5:35pm
Dont get me wrong im all for protecting the environment , but arent all the good Goldy breaks caused by man made constructions?
Dexy
Dexy
QLD
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28 Dec 2013 6:04pm
Burleigh, Currumbin, Kirra, Greeny and Snapper were already probably pretty good breaks before man made interference, but, yeah, you're probably right the man made rock walls etc probably really got them going. I even wondered myself about the surf potential for this thing, maybe even a northerly wind protected surf break, but in end I just look at the picture above and for me personally I just can't justify this kind of massive construction along the pristine beach. To me it's just not ours to destroy to this extent. And it's not only the marina that gets me off side, it's also the land grab, casino, apartment towers etc, etc. etc. Personally, I'm agin it.



Where the #%*!@ did the beach go?


laceys lane
laceys lane
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28 Dec 2013 6:28pm
any protected areas from winds ie ne winds would must likely be off limits. very short term construction employment solution again


the local elections can't comes soon enough to give these vultures the punt.


imo tate has always planned a hit and run. he's already got a few of his pet projects through. to many saps fell for his election spiel. it was all to easy with the gold coast on its economical knees


surely the most detestable politician i ever seen
husq2100
husq2100
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2031 posts
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28 Dec 2013 6:53pm
teatrea said..

Dont get me wrong im all for protecting the environment , but arent all the good Goldy breaks caused by man made constructions?


very hard to say since alot was started or done before we had hard proof of what they were like before, surfing wise. The likes of the super bank can be seen 2 ways. #1 awesome if you are good enough to get waves and no stink eye or #2 bad because instead of mulitple good peaks, you now have one or 2 great peaks and this condenses the surfing pack (which has its obvious problems) If you look at the natural lay out of the land, Id say that Greeny-kirra would still be naturaly good, just with more change in the wave. But again that could be a good thing. Currumbin alley use to sometimes be a spit with the creek exiting at the Royal/Princess Palms. Im sure wave would have been good there also (maybe a mini Jumpin pin?) It also ment that the beach went further in at Elephant Rock and that was more of a little point. With the advent of the groins etc it seems sand has slowly built up further out to make a longer slower transition from the deep water. Not that many would belive this with the sand errosion along Palmy etc.

If it has to be along the coast, why not somewhere like Kurrawa? It has all the local infastructure like Casino, light rail, shopping centres and accomedation. If they really put their heads down they could make the structure to compliment the beach brakes either side and may even give a northerly surf location. But reality comes back to where no person will be allowed within "x" distance for "Safety". They wont want to tie it in with existing infastructure as that will mean a huge loss of developemnt money along with back pocket contract sweeteners etc.

Tate has to go!
thePup
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13831 posts
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28 Dec 2013 4:58pm
husq2100 said..

IMO not only would it ruin Kirra, but definitely Greeny through to Snapper and even a chance of affecting Currumbin in following years. As far as jobs go, it will be like Light rail, most jobs will go to outside specialist contractors. The white shoe brigade is back in action. Russ Hinze would have a hard on in his grave.


Russell Hinze ..... geez now there's a slimy , two-faced , triple standard **** of a name I haven't heard of in a while .... his gerrymandering master sure had a winner in his pocket there

Cannot believe that proposal , why the fark would anyone even consider it given the worldwide recognition as a topline tourist destination .... unreal
62mac
62mac
WA
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28 Dec 2013 5:09pm
It will NEVER happen
CMC
CMC
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CMC CMC
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28 Dec 2013 7:35pm
And on tonight's news: biggest tourism year in at least a decade right now. Why?? New casino? New cruise ship terminal??? NO!

The Aussie dollar is becoming realistic again. Not as cheap to to head overseas and cheaper for overseas tourists to come here.

The beauty of this place is the combination of nature and amenity. Take away the nature and we're just another hole...

PS don't rely upon others to protest for you. Get involved.
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
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28 Dec 2013 8:33pm
62mac said..

It will NEVER happen


only if we stop it. The more time goes by, the more politicians get away with the blatant. If you took some everyday laws, rules and proposals from today, and told the people of the 70s or 80s they would not believe you. We are loosing control and they love it.
E T
E T
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28 Dec 2013 8:38pm
Complacency is the biggest enemy of thinking people in society.

When people start to think that something won't happen or that someone else will protest or do something about an issue then complacency steps in and trouble starts.

So IMHO, CMC and Husq are right don't wait for someone else and don't wait for it to happen.

Get involved and stop this Bullsh****t .

ET.
teatrea
teatrea
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28 Dec 2013 8:49pm
Have not made up my mind yet , which is weird because im a closet greenie of sorts.Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind. It also boggles my mind that Australia's last big engineering feat was the snowy hydro scheme. I rekon with the right environmental controls something like this could work , and could also create a magnet for marine life. Who knows they may be able to create some awesome new surf breaks tooobviously an investor invests in this type of thing to see a returnSo what if their is another casino with lots of fools lining up to loose their money , I rekon they should build it straight of surfers parasites.
foamballer
foamballer
NSW
406 posts
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28 Dec 2013 10:12pm
teatrea said..Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind.

I'm agree - we need have investment, jobs, infrastructure, etc. The difference is that some engineering projects make sense and are what I would term 'good engineering'. Conversely, the project being referred to above is poorly conceived from a coastal engineering and logistics point of view. Someone thinks they're on the Abu Dhabi coastline.

thePup
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13831 posts
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28 Dec 2013 7:20pm
Can't fathom why anyone would open up the possibility of an environmental disaster in form of fuel/oil spillage along that piece of coastline , the bloody things leak like sieves ..... ships that is
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
1722 posts
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28 Dec 2013 10:27pm
Why Kirra!?! Everything shuts at 8pm.

Seriously though I would definitely take this stuff seriously...Airlie Beach had a big marina get through
somehow which was arguably needed by the town and then the developer goes broke. It still hasn't
been finished! Mangroves were cleared, trees cut down that were here before white man, all for the
anticipated dollar. A lot of people protested but obviously not enough. In this case though I agree the
town needed it, but could have been done better.
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
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28 Dec 2013 9:52pm
teatrea said..

...Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind. It also boggles my mind that Australia's last big engineering feat was the snowy hydro scheme....


Hmmm, I wish in a way that was true. There have been some pretty big engineering projects since then. Any of the major mines, railways connecting them, and especially the ports. If you think the environment registers on "their" radar in ANY way, you only have to look at what they have and are doing up north. The tailings have poisoned rivers and fishing grounds, they are currently dredging one of Oz's biggest deep water ports and dumping the spoil in the GBR marine park...

Money talks, everything else walks...


PS, while the Hydro scheme is amazing, reducing the Snowy River to 3% of its normal flow is not what I would call enviromental engineering.
husq2100
husq2100
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28 Dec 2013 9:53pm
foamballer said..

teatrea said..Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind.

I'm agree - we need have investment, jobs, infrastructure, etc. The difference is that some engineering projects make sense and are what I would term 'good engineering'. Conversely, the project being referred to above is poorly conceived from a coastal engineering and logistics point of view. Someone thinks they're on the Abu Dhabi coastline.



he also thinks he is some sort of Prince!
Tang
Tang
VIC
580 posts
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28 Dec 2013 10:58pm
teatrea said..

Have not made up my mind yet , which is weird because im a closet greenie of sorts.Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind. It also boggles my mind that Australia's last big engineering feat was the snowy hydro scheme. I rekon with the right environmental controls something like this could work , and could also create a magnet for marine life. Who knows they may be able to create some awesome new surf breaks tooobviously an investor invests in this type of thing to see a returnSo what if their is another casino with lots of fools lining up to loose their money , I rekon they should build it straight of surfers parasites.


Teatree, I'm afraid I have to raise a couple of points to consider.
1) the Queensland breaks......to suggest that they are there due to man-made influences is a bit rich. Could you really say that the orientation of the snapper/green mount shoreline and natural sand flow from the tweed river would have produced poor waves? It was pretty popular before the sand bypass created superbank, as was kirra before even the first risk wall went in. Their current form might be enhanced by sand pumping or rock walls (though nobody has done the studies to see if they'd be better without them) but that's not to say engineering is responsible for them. Point danger would be quite an impressive engineering feat.
2) investment. Fair enough to want some investment, but a) is this the kind of coast you want in qld and b) do you really want one-off construction jobs ultimately financed by problem gambling? Strewth.
3) there aren't enough environmental controls in existence to make it work in the long term - you would have to try and re-engineer the engineering impacts, so then the real issue is this: can the government or community really "afford" the full cost of the project? That is, the maintenance dredging, the additional works and power and studies to stay on top of it, and then finally the fix-up costs when the developer decides they've thrown enough good money at it and leave the state of Queensland to sort out the mess?
4) marine life? It's is a common misperception - nothing lives there now so we better attract some more mainstream varieties that we understand. The place is full of life now, so why alter it? That will only bring a range of other impacts.

In my view, this is exactly the kind of short-sighted development that has created so many of the coastal development problems Queensland currently has, many of which are about to start costing Queensland a very large sum of money to manage effectively. Just ask your coastal specialists who a working in the public interest, not the developer's paid consultants.
teatrea
teatrea
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29 Dec 2013 1:09am
husq2100 said..
teatrea said..



...Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind. It also boggles my mind that Australia's last big engineering feat was the snowy hydro scheme....


Hmmm, I wish in a way that was true. There have been some pretty big engineering projects since then. Any of the major mines, railways connecting them, and especially the ports. If you think the environment registers on "their" radar in ANY way, you only have to look at what they have and are doing up north. The tailings have poisoned rivers and fishing grounds, they are currently dredging one of Oz's biggest deep water ports and dumping the spoil in the GBR marine park...

Money talks, everything else walks...

PS, while the Hydro scheme is amazing, reducing the Snowy River to 3% of its normal flow is not what I would call enviromental engineering.


The mines and ports are not what i was thinking about regarding sustainable engeenering , im sure it could be done if the will was their.Unfortunatley the cost cutting comes in the lack of environmental controls and usually no long term sustainable plan.Yep im sure cruise ships leak oil and all kinds of other crap , but so does the car you drive , the boat you like to go fishing in and the coal thats burnt so we can type **** on here.Not to mention the horrible chemicals used in the manufacture of the sup boards we like so much.
beerssup
beerssup
NSW
513 posts
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29 Dec 2013 9:32am
Not this crap again seems like every 5year's some rich turd wants a Marina at Kirra fark off.Anybody that surfed Kirra in its full glory before the councils farked it and created the wank bank would know that these idiots cannot be trusted with surf breaks! Thereis also the failed artificial reef at narrowneck, the ridiculous situation with dredging at Currumbin leave the surf to the surfers ,this brings more money to the Goldy than any ugly ass boat yard fark off you money hungry grubs.
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
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29 Dec 2013 10:46am
teatrea said..

husq2100 said..
teatrea said..



...Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind. It also boggles my mind that Australia's last big engineering feat was the snowy hydro scheme....


Hmmm, I wish in a way that was true. There have been some pretty big engineering projects since then. Any of the major mines, railways connecting them, and especially the ports. If you think the environment registers on "their" radar in ANY way, you only have to look at what they have and are doing up north. The tailings have poisoned rivers and fishing grounds, they are currently dredging one of Oz's biggest deep water ports and dumping the spoil in the GBR marine park...

Money talks, everything else walks...

PS, while the Hydro scheme is amazing, reducing the Snowy River to 3% of its normal flow is not what I would call enviromental engineering.


The mines and ports are not what i was thinking about regarding sustainable engeenering , im sure it could be done if the will was their.Unfortunatley the cost cutting comes in the lack of environmental controls and usually no long term sustainable plan.Yep im sure cruise ships leak oil and all kinds of other crap , but so does the car you drive , the boat you like to go fishing in and the coal thats burnt so we can type **** on here.Not to mention the horrible chemicals used in the manufacture of the sup boards we like so much.


arent you just saying what I already said, i.e. it is possible, but not likely. and just a FYI, my car doesnt leak oil, dont own a boat, and my boards are second hand so at least that was a reduction of chemicals per owner ;)
weiry
weiry
QLD
5396 posts
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29 Dec 2013 10:55am
God listen to the GC crew crying about the GC looking like a sh!thole..um it already is
at least it isn't a coal port
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
29 Dec 2013 11:35am
husq2100 said..

teatrea said..

husq2100 said..
teatrea said..



...Personally I would like to see some investment in big projects in this country , modern engineering boggles my mind. It also boggles my mind that Australia's last big engineering feat was the snowy hydro scheme....


Hmmm, I wish in a way that was true. There have been some pretty big engineering projects since then. Any of the major mines, railways connecting them, and especially the ports. If you think the environment registers on "their" radar in ANY way, you only have to look at what they have and are doing up north. The tailings have poisoned rivers and fishing grounds, they are currently dredging one of Oz's biggest deep water ports and dumping the spoil in the GBR marine park...

Money talks, everything else walks...

PS, while the Hydro scheme is amazing, reducing the Snowy River to 3% of its normal flow is not what I would call enviromental engineering.


The mines and ports are not what i was thinking about regarding sustainable engeenering , im sure it could be done if the will was their.Unfortunatley the cost cutting comes in the lack of environmental controls and usually no long term sustainable plan.Yep im sure cruise ships leak oil and all kinds of other crap , but so does the car you drive , the boat you like to go fishing in and the coal thats burnt so we can type **** on here.Not to mention the horrible chemicals used in the manufacture of the sup boards we like so much.


arent you just saying what I already said, i.e. it is possible, but not likely. and just a FYI, my car doesnt leak oil, dont own a boat, and my boards are second hand so at least that was a reduction of chemicals per owner ;)



Yes i think i amAnyway people need jobs and money needs to be invested?
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