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ghost4man
ghost4man
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8 Jun 2013 9:32am
Hi guys,

I just want to put it out there that it would be nice to see more videos of guys paddling out through the surf especially when its on to get a better gauge of board stability.

All too often we are exposed to scenes of a rider on a wave and whilst that is all well and good it is not I feel the whole story when it comes to supping.

In this day and age there seems to be a testosterone fuelled race to see who can get on the smallest board and whilst these pros do look good on a wave it would be interesting to see how they deal with rough, bumpy conditions before they get on the wave.

What is the point of going ultra short if you find yourself not being able to even stand up before you get on a wave.

Cheers Oz
laceys lane
laceys lane
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8 Jun 2013 3:00pm
i'm currently on the longest board i've ever had since i started. a 9'2 that suits where i mainly surf- currumbin alley. normally long paddles, can be choppy, windy and ck mouth etc to deal with.

sure there are times when it would be good to be on my normal shorter boards.
HGFish
HGFish
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8 Jun 2013 5:39pm
Guys paddling out would bore most folk but I understand your reason for wanting to see it. Head down where they're holding comps and just watch / video it yourself as it's unlikely someone would "waste" time / battery / memory on filming it. From the comps I've been to, generally the guys that can surf the short boards can paddle the short boards too.
ghost4man
ghost4man
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408 posts
8 Jun 2013 6:37pm
HGFish said..

Guys paddling out would bore most folk but I understand your reason for wanting to see it. Head down where they're holding comps and just watch / video it yourself as it's unlikely someone would "waste" time / battery / memory on filming it. From the comps I've been to, generally the guys that can surf the short boards can paddle the short boards too.


To be honest mate and maybe its just my opinion but I disagree with part of what you say. I hang out with a lot of guys that go supping and by far one of the biggest criteria that they have is the ability to get past the break and THEN take a wave. If you see the pros really struggling with their balance then there is a good chance that you will to. I just think that the focus is on choosing a board thats good on a wave especially when you see the good guys out there in the absence of videos which really portray the whole picture.

In saying that I guess you have to as always jump on the board and paddle for yourself but I think it would be good to see the entire picture. Just sayin...


oz
robdog
robdog
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9 Jun 2013 9:34am
Here ya go ghost4man ...


t457118
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9 Jun 2013 8:21am
Here another one showing Zane and others tackling some whitewater......www.standuppaddleboarding.tv/

One thing we learned at a Daniel Keropa clinic last weekend was to use the paddle blade kinda held flat on the water as a third leg to stabilise yourself when things get a wobbly straight after getting over the whitewater and into the aerated water the other side.
Sailhack
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9 Jun 2013 10:26am
^^^ I think you answered the original poster's query well there Pete.
Leroy13
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9 Jun 2013 11:01am
Too funny Robdog. All very different contexts and waves. Too cool Kai and Keahi (maybe going out with Tha Dogman or Feese would have been more of a fair comparison) Funny but quite often the big waves are much less dangerous than the 3 footers that are breaking on shallow banks!! Excellent work Robdog. Must be some swell down your way?
greggyd
greggyd
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9 Jun 2013 12:04pm
Good, I'm glad I've been doing it right. So in summary, go hard, pick your time, be prepared to bail and wear a few on the head.
E T
E T
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E T E T
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9 Jun 2013 1:04pm
Thanks guys, all very interesting. You know I think that it isn't easy for the average punter. Guys like Kai, Keahi, Breeny etc surf a lot even Dogamn had a couple of issues and I would say that he surfs a lot by comparison with "average" people. I think sometimes we can be too hard on ourselves because we see all of these "top paddlers" on videos. The reality is that it isn't that easy to paddle out and even catching a wave can be hard in certain conditions. It helps to watch other paddlers and share videos like these ones. Not everyone gets the chance to surf several times a week or everyday. Water time is the best teacher but that can be hard to come by for some people. Best advice I ever got was watch others, surf as much as you can in all conditions and be prepared to get hammered from time to time.
Thanks again. ET.
Redfezz
Redfezz
NSW
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10 Jun 2013 10:06am


Great clip Ghost4man.
Its exactly want I want to see, There are plenty of people on this site looking to make valued decisions on the next sup to purchase and clips like these do help.

Also

There seems to be some underlying competition with suppers that the smaller you go you better you are.

I know down this way guys have gone down in size and are now going back up a size or two just because of stability and speed of paddling,also not everyone has the space and budget to have a quiver of boards to use depending surf conditions.

Cheers Red
laurie
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10 Jun 2013 10:41am
Great video, and regardless of board stability, it's our challenge to stay upright.

Some things I've learned from surfing a beach break all the time, where constantly faced with whitewater:

Keep paddling through white water .. many just stop paddling and lose the stability / momentum. Having your paddle in the water helps plenty.

If it's powerful white water, it's more stable to quickly switch to a wide surf stance, get low, punch through, then switch back.

Depending on the board/wave, you can choose to punch the nose through the wave, rather than ride over the top.

Timing .. read the wave, and paddle like buggery if it looks like it will break, versus, holding back, letting it break/avoid the impact

If there's a peak, and you can make it, paddle sideways as dogman in the video did to completely avoid the whitewater.

On bigger days, best option can be to drop down with paddle under chest, and prone paddle out, as getting up/down wastes the precious seconds you have to get out between sets.

If you're going to take one on the head, then do a dive off the front of your board, rather than just fall in, as every meter gained towards getting out the back helps.

Conserve or Go like hell? Depends on the break, but sometimes, when it's big, and waves are coming through fast, then get a move on! Getting out the back as fast as possible will save time & conserve energy. Other days, it can pay to read the rips, and be more relaxed, take a few on the head, and time your runs to get out the back.

It's all good fun...

surfer56
surfer56
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10 Jun 2013 7:59pm
Here's some carnage from recent Santa Monica Paddle Festival

AA
AA
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AA AA
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11 Jun 2013 11:59am
A trick I use if I am standing and I can't pop the white water is to flick my board up and over the white water just before I dive down as deep as I can.
If you can get your board up and over it want get caught and drag you back.
Also safer if there are others around you. Works a treat (most of the time)!
goatman
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11 Jun 2013 1:58pm
robdog said..

Here ya go ghost4man ...





Another tip is to paddle over whitewater in SURF stance with legs spread well apart and knees bent for stability (not like in the vid lol)

Use your paddle for bracing after you get over the whitewater if necessary.

AA's tip is really useful in crowded situations as well.
Sailhack
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11 Jun 2013 2:59pm
^^^ I've adopted the (braced) surf-stance to get over whitewash up to head-height...although anything over waist-height & my odds of making it reduce dramatically. Keeping the paddle in the water, or dipping it as soon as you get on top will help.

AA's technique will save you from losing too much ground if you have to bail.
Retzy
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11 Jun 2013 6:07pm
@AA - you say "Also safer if there are others around you."

I can see how it would work and potentially if nobody is around I might give it a go but....

Flicking your board when it's crowded is a TOTAL gamble even if it's over the wave...

Even if you just get SEEN pinging your board you could get a major (ear)bashing. These days I'm trying really hard to stay with my gear and hold into it.

Much better to get smashed and stay with your board than let it get stretched potentially 20 feet behind you with some poor bastard wearing it. Not to mention how bad it is for us in these sup-unfriendly times.
AA
AA
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AA AA
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11 Jun 2013 6:58pm
Sorry - forgot to mention that you also need to throw in some common sense.
Check that there is no one in front of you before you flick the board over the foam ball.
I am not talking 2'ers. This works best when you are looking at 5'+ foam balls and cannot pop them.
Your paddling out - you having plenty of time to make this call.

Too may times I see guys bailing and not looking behind them and they forget that their 10' board on 18' of stretched leg rope is a distance of almost 30'! Look around you, use your common sense and make a judgement call.
goatman
goatman
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11 Jun 2013 10:07pm
Retzy said..

@AA - you say "Also safer if there are others around you."

I can see how it would work and potentially if nobody is around I might give it a go but....

Flicking your board when it's crowded is a TOTAL gamble even if it's over the wave...

Even if you just get SEEN pinging your board you could get a major (ear)bashing. These days I'm trying really hard to stay with my gear and hold into it.

Much better to get smashed and stay with your board than let it get stretched potentially 20 feet behind you with some poor bastard wearing it. Not to mention how bad it is for us in these sup-unfriendly times.


No mate, this is actually a way, in the case of a total emergency (ie unavoidable crew behind you), of NOT letting your board take out people behind you. Once you get the hang of it you can boost it over head high white water no probs. If you stay with your board it will just get dragged immediately behind you, cause there is no way you can hang on to it. Shorter leggies help as well.

Obviously it is better not to get in that type of situation to start with.
Sailhack
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11 Jun 2013 11:00pm
... and some of us sup where there's no one else within 50m, so safe to do so.
Leroy13
Leroy13
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12 Jun 2013 12:51am
goatman said...
Retzy said..

@AA - you say "Also safer if there are others around you."

I can see how it would work and potentially if nobody is around I might give it a go but....

Flicking your board when it's crowded is a TOTAL gamble even if it's over the wave...

Even if you just get SEEN pinging your board you could get a major (ear)bashing. These days I'm trying really hard to stay with my gear and hold into it.

Much better to get smashed and stay with your board than let it get stretched potentially 20 feet behind you with some poor bastard wearing it. Not to mention how bad it is for us in these sup-unfriendly times.


No mate, this is actually a way, in the case of a total emergency (ie unavoidable crew behind you), of NOT letting your board take out people behind you. Once you get the hang of it you can boost it over head high white water no probs. If you stay with your board it will just get dragged immediately behind you, cause there is no way you can hang on to it. Shorter leggies help as well.

Obviously it is better not to get in that type of situation to start with.

You're absolutely spot on goatman. Much, much safer to have your board going forward than backward even with you attached and holding on. As I said to a guy in some decent waves on the weekend "it's like holding on to a rampaging bull when the whitewater is over 3 feet." It's all common sense which apparently has become very uncommon nowadays! Really if there's no rip once it gets to some size, look for somewhere safer because that should be everyone's number one rule. Keep you and those around you safe. Rule two is rip bags and have fun!!
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