Next board for surf concave or not?

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warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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3 Jul 2011 8:11pm
Currently have a 9'4" Oxbow Scout about 150 l and 30" wide.

Been SUPing for 3+ months and 75kg however thinking about my next board for the surf.

My current board has a very flat bottom ie not concave or Vee.

What does a concave bottom do for performance and stability.

I am thinking a board about 9' x 29.5 to 30" 135 to 140l
and a bit lighter

Comments and suggestions please.
gumballs
gumballs
NSW
408 posts
NSW, 408 posts
3 Jul 2011 8:46pm
Concave gives the board lift meaning it wants to come up out of the water and hydroplane convex(or vee)surfaces do the opposite and try to cling to the water surface.So I think a concave under the paddlers feet is a must and vee under the surfers back foot is a must too.Concave is also great for stabillity whilst standing around waiting for waves it gets the board sitting on its rails rather than rocking from the centre like a vee bottom.From what Ive seen so far I recon Luke Short has the best looking production models with PHS a very close second.Im not yet qualified to comment on widths as the only SUP I have ever ridden is a 28"vee bottom and it is rather wobbly even in smooth conditions.Actualy Id be very interested in peoples views and opinions as well.
CMC
CMC
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CMC CMC
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3 Jul 2011 9:18pm
Most people think of concaves and look at them from rail to rail cross ways on the boards bottom. A better way to look at them is lengthways. A concave or vee is a function of the stringer versus the rail line. Imagine taking a board with a lot of rocker and then reducing the rocker down the stringer line only leaving the rail line curved. This creates a flat rockered board when sitting flat on the waters surface (not often in reality) and keeps the curve in the rail line. The flatter rocker creates speed, the curve creates looseness. The increased angle of the bottom due to the concave on the horizontal plane rail to rail also increases the pressure in relation the waters moving across it and creates lift.

A vee bottom is the opposite to the above and is used to control speed rather than create it. That is why guns have vee, to control the speed and to reduce pressure against sinking a rail at high speeds.

Hope this makes sense. My recommendation would be to talk to a designer that has been making surfboards about your next board as the design features above only really work when combined with the right rockers, outlines etc. A lot of board to me look like design features are added for perceived value not in consideration of the way they relate to other factors of design.
micksmith
micksmith
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4 Jul 2011 8:16am
As cmc has already given the explanation of concave-rocker info, I would only add given that you have only been sup surfing 3mths and looking at changing down from 9'4" to 9' you might consider going even shorter considering your weight. If you live close to beach and get to surf regularly demo some shorter boards, production boards like the psh 8'9" wide ripper.
dtm
dtm
NSW
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dtm dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
4 Jul 2011 8:48pm
CMC said...

Most people think of concaves and look at them from rail to rail cross ways on the boards bottom. A better way to look at them is lengthways. A concave or vee is a function of the stringer versus the rail line. Imagine taking a board with a lot of rocker and then reducing the rocker down the stringer line only leaving the rail line curved. This creates a flat rockered board when sitting flat on the waters surface (not often in reality) and keeps the curve in the rail line. The flatter rocker creates speed, the curve creates looseness. The increased angle of the bottom due to the concave on the horizontal plane rail to rail also increases the pressure in relation the waters moving across it and creates lift.

A vee bottom is the opposite to the above and is used to control speed rather than create it. That is why guns have vee, to control the speed and to reduce pressure against sinking a rail at high speeds.

Hope this makes sense. My recommendation would be to talk to a designer that has been making surfboards about your next board as the design features above only really work when combined with the right rockers, outlines etc. A lot of board to me look like design features are added for perceived value not in consideration of the way they relate to other factors of design.


cmc is pretty onto it here...
Concave is a must in a surfing sup... But as stated needs to be combined with rocker line, foils and rail lines etc and depths of concave and where to start stop and fade in and out but any good sup shaper should know this, one would think...
I prefer deep concaves in my personal boards and wouldnt shape a board without one then fading out to vee through the fins
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
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VIC, 17570 posts
4 Jul 2011 9:18pm
I also like concaves.. I like the sound they make..

DJ
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
5 Jul 2011 2:34pm
Thanks Guys for the input.

Based on the information and my thinking I will be having demo on a Coreban Fusion 9' as from advice it seems to match requiremnts
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
9 Jul 2011 8:29am
I now have had a short demo on Coreban 10', 9'6" and 9 Fusion.

Bought the 9 ' Fusion and now need some nice windless waves to adjust to this board.

The 9' Fusion fits all the recommendations from above and my thoughts on a board for my progression.
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