Noosa Tactics Help Required For The Kids!

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OG SUP
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15 Mar 2010 7:33pm
Hey guys,

There is a bit of gamesmanship going on where some surfers are blocking the kids from taking off on a wave.

Its happening to Kristi, Riggs and others.

Its hard enough for them to commit to the bigger waves, let alone have some one pull a board straight out in front of them on the drop, not to mention dangerous to boot.

If you see these young kids out and about can you please give them a hand or the benefit of your experience in these situations.

Best regards

Phill
goatman
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15 Mar 2010 7:40pm
No worries Phil, if I saw some knob do that to Kristi he will get a mouthful!
OG SUP
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15 Mar 2010 7:43pm
Much appreciated goatie,

I believe its only a very small % but it has certainly rattled them!

Any encouragement or assitance will help I am sure.

Thanks mate

Phill.
DavidJohn
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15 Mar 2010 7:55pm
Apparently Robby Naish did it to little Riggs at the Sunset Pro.. Sheesh!.. Give the kids a fair go I reckon.

DJ
OG SUP
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15 Mar 2010 8:03pm
Well I doubt Robbie would have done that on purpose DJ?

I think when Goatie, The Dogmiester, Lummers, Session et Al get there things might change a bit!

Phill
62mac
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15 Mar 2010 5:56pm
Unfortunately I wouldn't bet on it Phill,as I said in a previous post its like standing in the middle of a 20 lane freeway free surfing during the festive.
OG SUP
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15 Mar 2010 9:03pm
Hey Mac,

I have been before so I have some idea and its much bigger this year so more congested again.

No one cares about competing for a wave that cool.

Even if they snake them not so bad as not as dangerous

But letting them take off and propping infront of a kid and blocking them on the drop causing a very near miss is not cool IMO.

Phill







Garethg
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15 Mar 2010 11:00pm
Really surprises me that kids with talent arent encouraged, I vividly remember being a grommet surfing Bungan when Tom Carroll was out. He was calling us young tackers in, and encouraging us to catch heaps of waves.

These guys needs a swift WACK with the paddle... surely in bigger surf the younger riders need some encouragement, a bad experience could put them off for good.

I would suggest it is the "try hards" who are hassling. the good riders dont need to ...

laceys lane
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15 Mar 2010 10:06pm
get phil(downwinder) up there to sort um out i say. he's big enough for don't argue

OG SUP
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16 Mar 2010 8:19am
As a rule I think most surfers are stoked to see the groms have a go especially in trying conditions.

If a grom sits in rotation or wants to have a crack and I see them paddling then they can have my wave.

IMO they are the future of the sport I'm not going to the surfing Olympics and I get just as much fun see others rip especially kids.

In all fairness the swell has been a long time coming from what I hear and 600+ people at your home break cant be fun not doubt.

I guess the real point is no one wants to ding a board or get hurt

Phill




Garethg said...

Really surprises me that kids with talent arent encouraged, I vividly remember being a grommet surfing Bungan when Tom Carroll was out. He was calling us young tackers in, and encouraging us to catch heaps of waves.

These guys needs a swift WACK with the paddle... surely in bigger surf the younger riders need some encouragement, a bad experience could put them off for good.

I would suggest it is the "try hards" who are hassling. the good riders dont need to ...




Ngahina
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16 Mar 2010 8:21am
OG SUP said...

Well I doubt Robbie would have done that on purpose DJ?

I think when Goatie, The Dogmiester, Lummers, Session et Al get there things might change a bit!

Phill



I dealt more non locals will help the situation. They should go and see Dane at the Golden Breed shop and team up with some of the local SUP surfers, these guys will help them out by taking them away from the agro on the points and surfing some quality waves in other better spots at Noosa.

Kirsti is such a sweet girl I dealt she would turn around and sling some lip at the punter that hassled her.

Nga
PT SUP
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16 Mar 2010 5:40am
Surfing at Tee Tree last night from 5 to dark on my 9'3 McT original mal.Plenty of waves for the grommies on the inside section.Great banks ,no obvious tension.
Lunch time low tide had some nice ones rolling through the bay at Mooloolaba.Just me and one mate out.
If you guys get the chance, the right hander at Double Island is well worth the drive.Unreal SUP wave.It runs along a sand island for about 800 m.You'll have to drive through Gympie ,beach drive up may be a bit scary with the swell forecast as it is.
Welcome to the Sunshine coast,

PT
OG SUP
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16 Mar 2010 8:48am
Solid advice Nga,

They should think about and act what you suggest and in addition the kids will also have to stand thier ground and I believe work as a team.

Kristi and I had a long chat yesterday she realises that different breaks bring different challenges, thats one of the reasons she is up there to learn.

What I meant in the post you quoted is that there will be more familure faces out in the water and these guys love to help all the groms they are very generous with experience and knowledge and lets just say they know how to surf too.

I reminded Kristi that on Thursday or Friday there will only be 6 people out in the heat and thats what she has to look forward to.

I have nerver surfed 1st point with only 6 out.

I could sense the smile on her face when she remember that was day was near!

Phill.

Ngahina said...

OG SUP said...

Well I doubt Robbie would have done that on purpose DJ?

I think when Goatie, The Dogmiester, Lummers, Session et Al get there things might change a bit!

Phill



I dealt more non locals will help the situation. They should go and see Dane at the Golden Breed shop and team up with some of the local SUP surfers, these guys will help them out by taking them away from the agro on the points and surfing some quality waves in other better spots at Noosa.

Kirsti is such a sweet girl I dealt she would turn around and sling some lip at the punter that hassled her.

Nga


Tux
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16 Mar 2010 11:52am
Sit deep go hard and run 'em over if they get in your way.....if they give her any grief just tell her to show 'em your photo Phil....
OG SUP
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16 Mar 2010 12:10pm
Hey Tux,

Great to hear from you!

I think your right 0.115 ton of Chopper HTF on a 12ft red rhino taking the inside line is the go but unfortunately cant get my wide A$$ there due to work etc.

Hey and photo wise I'll never make a GQ cover.

Phill







planesailing
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16 Mar 2010 9:32am
Phil, Feel your pain man. But i know the scenario no-ones gunna cut them slack.
a)grommet
b)female
c)non local.
Hard as it may seem they gotta stand tall and let their surfing speak! they may not
get the respect they deserve but might get them slotted into a few waves.
We all did the hard yards (burleigh heads grommet) and got thru it. So give em a pat
on the back and tell em to get amongst it. IMO its the only way.
laceys lane
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16 Mar 2010 12:50pm
planesailing said...

Phil, Feel your pain man. But i know the scenario no-ones gunna cut them slack.
a)grommet
b)female
c)non local.
Hard as it may seem they gotta stand tall and let their surfing speak! they may not
get the respect they deserve but might get them slotted into a few waves.
We all did the hard yards (burleigh heads grommet) and got thru it. So give em a pat
on the back and tell em to get amongst it. IMO its the only way.


i tend to agree, at the end of he day you have to look after yourself, it's probably hard for them now, but this experience is priceless. you will see a lot better surfer for sure. at snapper at it's peak some days 3 waves a session could be the norm. to get 10 or so meant you had a blinder. most likely next day you would go a session without getting a single wave- snapper had a way of bringing you back down real quick
CMC
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16 Mar 2010 1:09pm
laceys lane said...

planesailing said...

Phil, Feel your pain man. But i know the scenario no-ones gunna cut them slack.
a)grommet
b)female
c)non local.
Hard as it may seem they gotta stand tall and let their surfing speak! they may not
get the respect they deserve but might get them slotted into a few waves.
We all did the hard yards (burleigh heads grommet) and got thru it. So give em a pat
on the back and tell em to get amongst it. IMO its the only way.


i tend to agree, at the end of he day you have to look after yourself, it's probably hard for them now, but this experience is priceless. you will see a lot better surfer for sure. at snapper at it's peak some days 3 waves a session could be the norm. to get 10 or so meant you had a blinder. most likely next day you would go a session without getting a single wave- snapper had a way of bringing you back down real quick


Yep, know this scenario well also as a grommet on the Goldy. Survival of the fittest, strongest, fastest or cheekiest. I distinctly remember getting told 'don't even think about it grommet' a few times with me on the inside.

When the crowds are at the peak you're only method is catch what you can when it comes, waves you give away you will not get back, if it's small hope it grows, if it's late hope you make it, if it's a set hope you don't get dropped in on.

Saying that I always thought the crowd at Noosa was a lot easier to get waves than at home. The standard of surfing on the Goldy is like no other IMO. To get waves at Noosa just sit off the corner of the Pinching (boiling) pot and wait for them to get pinched, swing and surf to Little Cove. The other plus is you get the sets that close out the pot at the same time. Ooops, I've said too much.
OG SUP
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16 Mar 2010 2:11pm
Solid Advice guys,

I had the pep talk last night!

All good

Phill

laceys lane said...

planesailing said...

Phil, Feel your pain man. But i know the scenario no-ones gunna cut them slack.
a)grommet
b)female
c)non local.
Hard as it may seem they gotta stand tall and let their surfing speak! they may not
get the respect they deserve but might get them slotted into a few waves.
We all did the hard yards (burleigh heads grommet) and got thru it. So give em a pat
on the back and tell em to get amongst it. IMO its the only way.


i tend to agree, at the end of he day you have to look after yourself, it's probably hard for them now, but this experience is priceless. you will see a lot better surfer for sure. at snapper at it's peak some days 3 waves a session could be the norm. to get 10 or so meant you had a blinder. most likely next day you would go a session without getting a single wave- snapper had a way of bringing you back down real quick


thommo 000
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16 Mar 2010 9:31pm
all the other stuff i read here lately i thought was quiet interesting and humorous, but that one`s hitting rock bottom, give the kids a break,
Bnaccas
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17 Mar 2010 1:28am
Snapper, Burleigh, Kirra, Noosa all vary in the type of wave but the quality of the wave remains very high.
It is similar to Bells, Winki, Posso's, Right Point etc, the take off point is going to be usually around the
same spot and it will always be a little cut-throat to get waves. At these spots it sometimes pays to
loose some of the ettiquette and be a bit ruthless yourself. You might not make as many friends but
no-one is going out of their way to be your friend either.

This isn't the approach I'd take at more mellow spots in Vicco but if ya going to surf quality waves then
ya going to be dealing with quality surfers that might not let many go through. You have to think as
well, if you get 3 good surfers out that only have time for 1 hour in the water they won't be doing
anyone any favours. If they paddle in and another 3 paddle out it's going to be a tough session for
the groms and shy or lesser ability surfers.

So as for help, I don't really know! Go deeper and cross ya fingers? Maybe sit 30 metres down the line
and paddle for the waves that people fall off?

Or just thank ya old man for letting you go to Noosa, pick off a couple waves here and there and make
the most of ya heats with only 6 people in the water!
Ted the Kiwi
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17 Mar 2010 8:51am
OG SUP said...

Solid advice Nga,

I reminded Kristi that on Thursday or Friday there will only be 6 people out in the heat and thats what she has to look forward to.

I have nerver surfed 1st point with only 6 out.

I could sense the smile on her face when she remember that was day was near!

Phill.

I think that there sums it up for me........1 heat 6 people out with Nossa cranking. That is a once in a life experience and every other wave she gets will be a bonus! Personally I hope she makes it through that heat and a few more then she will have had several lifetimes of good uncrowded Nossa waves!!!!!

OG SUP
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17 Mar 2010 9:48am
Hey Ted,

This time just getting those kids there was a win for the sport IMO, every wave they get is a bonus and it will be an experience the kids will remmeber for the rest of their lives.

Every time I talk to Kristi she is just bubbling with things she has tried and learned and it sounds like she has spent 80% - 90% of the time " eating it" as she says but that hasnt dampened the spirits.

Samantha has done a wonderful job orgainsing it all and making it come together.
I believe we should get behind the concept and make it an annual thing in one form or another.

Maybe we could also work on something for Kids at Mambo as well with a training session done by Jacko, Matt, Goatie, etc etc.

Just a thought.

Phill












Green Tea
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17 Mar 2010 6:18pm
Hi Phill,
I'm sorry to hear this **** is going on especially at the festival where so many people are supposed to be sharing the love of the sport.
Catch up when you get back
Div
PTWoody
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18 Mar 2010 12:15am
Is it true that some of the kids put at risk in this fashion, were the international visitors? It probably doesn't occur to those selfish ***** locals but the real danger is that future festivals may struggle to attract these immensely talented teenagers from Hawaii and elsewhere. In any other sport, this sort of crap would possibly become an international diplomatic incident.
Bnaccas
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18 Mar 2010 12:51am
Seams I may have miss understood what has actually been going on.
It doesn't sound good, probably not much you can do to change the actions of people like that but
it's worth saying something to them. If they are not careful a grom will be over commited and they
could both get into some serious trouble.

Hope it gets sorted out.
62mac
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18 Mar 2010 5:50am
Other than the kids copping a hard time up there, it would be interesting to hear from the mature sup'ers ,on how they see it, is it a simple case of bullying the kids or is it ante stand up in general
Legion
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18 Mar 2010 3:28pm
PTWoody said...

It probably doesn't occur to those selfish ***** locals but the real danger is that future festivals may struggle to attract these immensely talented teenagers from Hawaii and elsewhere.

That is probably precisely what the locals would want - no contests, no publicity, no tourists.
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