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Nozza's Street SUP thread, part 2

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Created by Nozza 1 month ago, 20 Aug 2020
Nozza
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20 Aug 2020 8:38PM
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Rather than hijack Dave, I tried to revive this, but too old

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Nozza-s-Street-Sup-thread?page=2

I never really reported on the 107mm wheels on the Classic, and question from pumpjockey re gravel roads prompted me.
The 107mm wheels handle toppings paths easily, and back in May when I was allowed out, I took on some gravel backroads at Phillip Island.
Not so much loose gravel, but compacted pretty well.
Handled easily, but vibration through the feet pretty severe.
Had been a while since I was on the board.


Off up the street


I'm on bitument, gravel over the road.



Traction not a problem, avoided the loosest bits.


Enough power in the Evolve motor to power along.
Landpaddling wouldn't work unless maybe you had the snowboard tip fitted.
Or a spike.
Ive tried the Hamboards streetsweeper on toppings and got nowhere.



The vibrations are slowly making the Gopro look syywards....


Must get back in to this when I'm allowed out.
Or is electric skating classed as "exercise"?

DaveSandan
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20 Aug 2020 8:51PM
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As long as it's in a 5km radius you will be ok Nozza, I am hoping to cruise my street again tomorrow although I am nursing a skinned arm. Protective gear arrived yesterday, 2 days to late, lol

DaveSandan
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20 Aug 2020 8:53PM
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107 mm is high compared to my 70mm wheels did you get tighter truck or is it really loose when turning so high up?

Nozza
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20 Aug 2020 9:26PM
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Really loose.
THe "Originals" trucks that came with the board were loose, and if anything the Evolve trucks are even looser.
I think I'm sort of used to it, and like the loose, slidey feel. It is a bit of skating off a first floor balcony though.
Well done on the skin off! My last crash I had a great "I just did something stupid and it doesn't matter" feeling, possibly arisisng from years of having to dea with ridiculous construction industry safety rules.

DaveSandan
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21 Aug 2020 9:24AM
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Yes know the feeling, I decided to try a second run down a bike path hill that I did half way down the incline the first time. Second one I thought start from the top it's not that big but had 3 tight inclining turns straight away. Hit 18km ph in 5 seconds with 2 turns to go and lost it and landed on my arse.
Agree about construction site safety at times, I filled out so many JSA forms for everyone else it became pointless.

dools111
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24 Aug 2020 12:36PM
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Anyone tried the offroad options - not keen to go crazy just cruise and mainly on paved tracks but: (a) be more comfortable (bigger pneumatic wheels) (b) be able to handle the odd section of rougher terrain (c) less likely to stack if you hit a stone or something on the track. I know they have downsides (heavier, don't turn as well, generally less flex for carving turns, usually more $$$) but also some offer longer life batteries. There are some not super heavy duty ones out there now that seem like a good compromise... Or is the compromise good at nothing???

DaveSandan
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24 Aug 2020 3:05PM
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I think Nozza will be the expert here as I think he has some off road wheels somewhere! However I have been doing a bit of research on different boards and unless you are going really off road on a lot of grass etc you don't need wheels like that. My wheels are 70mm high and t(e ones on Nozza type of board are 90mm I think and you can go even bigger again in Urehtane. At 70mm I am hitting stones, branches well twigs actually gum nuts ( small ones ) and all kinds of debris and it does not do a thing to my speed or forward motion. Gaps in the footpath are ok too but not a 30mm gap obviously so as long as you have high wheels it's all good. You can even get a drop down board but they are not as long as the ones I am using so your centre of gravity is lower and you are even more stable and still have the big as wheels.
it is totally different than I remember from the 70's with chalky wheels or even better billy carts with Ball Bearings as wheels, these days they stuff glides over most crap on the road or trail just not gravel roads then you need the ones you are referring too.

Nozza
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24 Aug 2020 5:08PM
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I have not spent a lot of time on the off road wheels. I bought an MTB or something normal board with the pneumatic wheels, and the speeds it got up to were pretty terrifying. It also had foot bindings so you could kite or "snowboard" it, or face plant, but the land paddle failed totally on loose surfaces.
The Evolve with the all terrain wheels I didn't like so much - it felt like a bit of a truck.


It was fun but didn't feel like a skateboard - more an electric scooter without handle bars.
Having said that, I have two mates that love them - it certainly opens up new opportunites, and the electric with brakes solves the excessive speed thing.
I am running 107mm wheels that cope with stones and things that old fashioned skatetboard wheels would trip on, but the 90 and 97mm wheels I was running previosly were no problem. The all terrain wheels would transmit less vibration back through the feet.
The other problem I saw, being a worrier, was the possibility of punctures a long way from home.
To me I wanted a skateboard, with skateboard feel, and the street wheels give that, and sliding the tail out is huge fun.

dools111
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25 Aug 2020 11:05AM
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Thx Nozza good feedback, I've got a wowgo 3x coming for street cruising (meant to be one of the better cheaper "boost copy" boards with some good reviews). In considering an offroad I'm interested in comfort and smaller rough sections more than full offroad, and will be trying to take it easy (carve rather than sliding out rear, at least initially) and avoid injuries whatever I do (having already done an achilles after picking up my cruiser again after 15+ years, without even stacking!). And would be great to cruise some of the tracks around here eg along the clifftops out to Bells. Good to hear your views on the limitations based on how you use them... Cheers

Nozza
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25 Aug 2020 1:41PM
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Just had a look at the Wowgo 3 boards, they look OK, even if the Boosted parentage is pretty obvious. Will be interesting to see what they are like - the Evolve and Boosted, being first to the market are way expensive.
I see you are on the Surf coast - my Boosted board is actially with my daughter in Toequay at the moment - I could PM you some contact details if you want to get together for a compare when you get the board.

Helmy
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26 Aug 2020 3:55PM
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Just to be clear - I'm not one of the two mates that loves them.

Despite my teenage years spent on skateboards, the older I get, the more vivid are the memories from the mid-sixties on my 1st generation skateboard, and my face plant into the toe of a friends fathers car tow-bar. No tow ball mounted onto the toe, so it was skateboard jamming on a stone, throwing me forward, nose first into the toe (mounting plate) of the tow bar.
Still make me feel sick when I think about it. I remember the fountain of blood erupting between my eyes, and I still have the hole in the bridge of my nose to remind me.

But in this beautiful lockdown world that we are living in in Melbourne at the moment, who knows, maybe, just maybe...

MangoDingo
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26 Aug 2020 3:40PM
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Helmy said..

But in this beautiful lockdown world that we are living in in Melbourne at the moment, who knows, maybe, just maybe...


Helmy - that sounds brutal. As an ex-peninsula boy, I know the joy of coming off the skatey at high speed.
Skidded along the road for about ten metres once - using my face as the brakes. Total carnage, my board was buggered and they wouldn't let me on the 781 back to Mornington coz I looked like an IED had gone off in my shirt pocket and was frightening all the old dears on the bus.

But, I say - go Helmy! - go hard man and get stuck in! Just remember, it stops hurting when the pain's gone.

SK8 or die!!!

DaveSandan
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26 Aug 2020 4:33PM
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Helmy said..
Just to be clear - I'm not one of the two mates that loves them.

Despite my teenage years spent on skateboards, the older I get, the more vivid are the memories from the mid-sixties on my 1st generation skateboard, and my face plant into the toe of a friends fathers car tow-bar. No tow ball mounted onto the toe, so it was skateboard jamming on a stone, throwing me forward, nose first into the toe (mounting plate) of the tow bar.
Still make me feel sick when I think about it. I remember the fountain of blood erupting between my eyes, and I still have the hole in the bridge of my nose to remind me.

But in this beautiful lockdown world that we are living in in Melbourne at the moment, who knows, maybe, just maybe...


Come land paddling with me Helmy, slower pace so it's hurts less when you fall, well maybe! Although I do like the idea of a brake!! I stick to bike paths at the moment which is really safe and the undulations make for a very casual ride, got to 27kmph yesterday down a slope which was fast enough for me.

Nozza
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27 Aug 2020 5:39PM
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Windy from the north here today, but not too cold.
Walked the dog at Half Moon Bay, not allowed to paddle, but the car park beckoned...
Dropped the dog back home, back down.








Now before you tut tut about the lack of protective gear, or in fact shoes, I was wearing all the protective equipment required in Victoria at the moment.


Dan promised the mask would protect me.
A couple of laps..



Kept going but you get the idea, video wise.







Kept at it until my feet and calves couldn't take any more.



Unfortunately the board blew over just after this photo, and I seem to have broken something - power but no drive.


Will have to pull the battery off and see what I have dislodged.
Most fum I have had in weeks

DaveSandan
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27 Aug 2020 6:40PM
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Glad to see you back out there, best way to cope with lockdown, I only had a quick 20 run and that did the trick.

Nozza
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28 Aug 2020 2:44PM
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Investigation in to the non working board yesterday had the board powering on OK, but the remote seemed to be locked.
Screen was on, claiming bluetooth and contact with the board, full batteries.
But it wouldn't respond to any buttons, wouldn't turn off.
Left everything to go flat, see if that would help. Seemed strange if dropping the board would fry the remote.
Emailed support@evolveskateboards explaining the problem, asked if there was any way to re set the remote.
Up this morning, had a reply from Evolve - very impressive - this is just after sales service two years down the track, nothing in it for them.
Went to check the remote - it had powered off. Turned it on, it connected with the board and the wheels spun. Must have just been a disturbance in the force.


Phew.
Remote turned off again as totally flat. Put it on charge in the Kombi as I usually do.
Down to Half Moon Bay after lunch, lovely day for a change, got the board out.


Got the remote, prepared to look for shoes and other recomended equipment that several people noted was missing yesterday.
No power on the remote - wouldn't turn on.
Had a few tries, no go.
I hope the problem is that with lack of use, the car battery hasn't got enough oomph to charge the remote from dead flat.
Back home to put on charge inside.




Nozza
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29 Aug 2020 6:36PM
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Remote seemed to charge up fine once connected to power.
Was still sitting on charge when daughter No. 2 surprised me by asking to have a go on the board.
In the street with the risk of neighbours catching me....
As with most things, she proved to be a natural.


Or is that a Goofy.


We'll have to sort that out.
Neighbours didn't catch us....



DaveSandan
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29 Aug 2020 8:41PM
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Your within a 5km circle from home so nothing to worry about

micksmith
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29 Aug 2020 10:20PM
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DaveSandan said..
Your within a 5km circle from home so nothing to worry about


Think he might be referring to no masks ?

Nozza
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29 Aug 2020 10:25PM
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micksmith said..

DaveSandan said..
Your within a 5km circle from home so nothing to worry about



Think he might be referring to no masks ?


Masks

DaveSandan
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30 Aug 2020 8:52AM
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Nozza said..

micksmith said..


DaveSandan said..
Your within a 5km circle from home so nothing to worry about




Think he might be referring to no masks ?



Masks


True! But you socially distanced and you are with family members.

Nozza
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31 Aug 2020 6:19PM
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Masked up and donned some protective equipment for a carve up of Half Moon Bay car park this afternoon.






Nozza
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4 Sep 2020 3:41PM
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Half Moon Bay car park today, quite warm, not too busy.


Tried some laps in the reverse direction



Better that way, little uphill not so steep as a downhill, better view of arriving cars.
Watching a car cross the empty trailer parking bays here...


Down the little hill, still watching....


Brakes are good!


Very fun little session.

DaveSandan
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4 Sep 2020 6:28PM
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Shame you can't get to the Yarra I did a nice 10k land paddle today, all within my 5 km circle.

Nozza
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4 Sep 2020 7:48PM
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DaveSandan said..
Shame you can't get to the Yarra I did a nice 10k land paddle today, all within my 5 km circle.


How's the shoulders / elbows coping?
That is a serious work out.

Nozza
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4 Sep 2020 7:53PM
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I got an email from Hamboards this morning, announcing their electric Pescidato (maybe)
Not that excited by it, they sent out a pre release thing a while ago.
Seems to be powered by a Loaded / Boosted motor, one hub only so they do it in Natural or Goofy, for a bit under $2,200.
But it had an interesting camera view on the promo video.
An afternoon with my Gopro bits later......

DaveSandan
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4 Sep 2020 8:26PM
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Nozza said..

DaveSandan said..
Shame you can't get to the Yarra I did a nice 10k land paddle today, all within my 5 km circle.



How's the shoulders / elbows coping?
That is a serious work out.


Not an issue with either I have been doing a fair bit of paddling so it's all good. I have adjusted my technique too to make sure I don't bang the paddle of the ground like paddling in water, placeit, and pull through and the shock is gone and stress on the body reduces.

Nozza
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9 Sep 2020 4:31PM
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Good news 2 days ago, confirmed yesterday, we are allowed back in the water for our designated hour in the exercise yard.

vic.paddle.org.au/coronavirus-covid-19-status/

Stuck to skating today, but hopefully back in the water tomorrow. Laps of Half Moon Bay car park - my feet and calves seem to be gaining stamina.

Nozza
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Monday , 21 Sep 2020 6:19PM
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Deemed Half Moon Bay car park a bit busy for a skate, made use of two gentle hills near my house.
I need to tighten the editing up.

Nozza
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Tuesday , 22 Sep 2020 8:06PM
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More playing with camera views.
This is the back of the board set up



Had a play at the front of the board.




I liked the front looking back view, but front looking forward lacks a frame of reference.
I have a couple of problems - as all the underside cameras are upside down, the video comes out upside down - most of the time. Is there a setting or a trick to get it to come out right way up. I have discovered a way to flip it in Windows video editor, but it's an extra, slow step.
I'm also struggling with video editing software. When I first got a Gopro I tried Gopro studio or whatever, but it wanted to take over the whole computer and I hated it. I was then using a Nikon freebie, that used to work well but now seems to not accept mp4 files, and when I use files converted to mov, everything slows down to the point of uselessness. Had to persist with Windows video editor today, which I may get the hang of.
Rough edit of one lap of the block - OK, with falls and having to move cameras, it was about 8 laps to put one lap together.
One way to occupy a lockdown afternoon.




Nozza
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Wednesday , 23 Sep 2020 9:22PM
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Variation on the front camera position.


Much more pleasing result after still battling editing programs.







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